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I have been hearing the phrase "I've never been" with increasing frequency lately when referring to places (i.e., "I'd like to go to the Apollo. I've never been" as opposed to "I've never been there").

I recently moved to New York and am noticing this adverb omission among 20-somethings in the city, particularly college-educated women. But is this phrase right? It sounds strange to my ear to omit the adverb "there" from this phrase when referring to a place.

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    Ultimately this question (like many questions on the site) presupposes that there is a linguistically "right" kind of grammar. But the grammars that people have are all right linguistically, even if some people might think that they are not socially acceptable. See If the English language is always evolving, why do we need to learn and follow grammatical rules? for some discussion.
    – Alan Munn
    Commented Aug 6, 2015 at 16:30
  • I first heard "I've never been." when I went to college and met people from the New York metro area. It was not a feature of my local Philadelphia dialect; we say "I've never been there." It is not a locution particular to today's 20-somethings by any means.
    – TimR
    Commented Aug 6, 2015 at 17:30
  • Isn't the word 'informal' sufficient to cover this kind of sentence? If it makes anyone happier, we could suggest that listeners/readers are mentally supplying the word "there", but I doubt we all do (if you like "I doubt WHETHER we all do).
    – Tuffy
    Commented Feb 14 at 12:08
  • It might sound odd because people are used to "be"/"been" as an auxiliary verb or as the copula with a subject complement. But this is another use of "been" (and one which judging from here and ELL confuses a lot of people especially language learners).
    – Stuart F
    Commented Nov 21 at 9:58

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Been is the past participle of Be so I've never been is as grammatical as I'm not. The object is omitted as it is understood from context.

Q: "Are you in France now?" A: "No, I'm not, and I've never been."

Q: "Are you tall?" A: "No, I'm not, and I've never been."

In the most technical sense, I'm not sure whether omitting the object of a to be verb can be considered "grammatical", but it is, in any case, a commonly used and accepted manner of expression.

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  • Your answer is quite correct for your examples but I think the OP is asking specifically about the peculiar use of "I've never been" instead of the expected "I've never been there " when someone is asked if they have ever been to or at a particular place. Commented Aug 6, 2015 at 17:57
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    I tried to address that particular case with the first example. The spirit of my answer is that this is a general construction and there's no reason why it would be incorrect in the particular case the asker mentions, while being correct in other semantically similar cases.
    – Aurast
    Commented Aug 6, 2015 at 18:40
  • Isn't this usage also common in British English? Commented May 12, 2017 at 16:55
  • Q: "Are you in France now?" A: "No, I'm not, and I never have been." The contraction is very iffy to inadmissible without either 'there' say or 'tempted to go there' say. This isn't the case with "They say Spain is pretty, though I've never been." Commented Feb 14 at 15:59
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Omitting “there” from a statement would be grammatically correct, as the adverb would be considered “understood” by the subject.

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"They say Spain is pretty, though I've never been"—Elton John's Daniel

I guess my answer is twofold.

  1. Except in cases like when asked such things as, "Are you in ...?" and the answer is "I am not. I have never been.";

Or in cases like saying, "I am not in ... . I have never been.";

Because in such cases, "been" is linked to "am [in]", both being forms of "be" (and in turn and similarly, "am" is linked to "are in" in the question and answer scenario):

I think it is not appropriate to say "I've never been" when referring to a place, omitting the adverb "there" from the phrase.

Especially in the song line I cite[d]. [First line of second verse.] Because even though the meaning is clear from the context, the structure surrounding the phrase makes it possible technically to link "never been" to "is pretty".

Even in cases where there is no such problem in the surrounding structure, it is inappropriate to omit "there", making the internal structure of the phrase itself incomplete technically, even though the sense can be gathered from context.

I have long been of the opinion that language should be as simple as possible. Which is not to say it could always be simple. Just that unnecessary innovations, for example, which make people have to keep up with them, should be avoided. Except in such exceptions as I have cited, omitting "there" in "never been there" is, to me, an unnecessary innovation.

Also, the following, to me, are the correct ways of putting it.

Correct: "I'd like to go to the Apollo. I've never been there." (Because "been" and "go" are different verbs.)

Correct: "I'd like to be in/at the Apollo. I've never been." (Because "been" and "be" are the same verb.)

  1. My answer is twofold because: precisely because of the song line I quoted and other people omitting "there" in "never been there" — in such cases where I myself would not omit "there" — I defer to them.

Also, omitting "there" in the song line makes for a rhyme :)

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  • I find the conversationally deleted "They say Spain is pretty, though I've never been" natural-sounding in all but the most formal of registers, though "Are you in France now?" A: "No, I'm not, and I've never been." sounds distinctly off (the auxiliary rather than the locative usage of 'be' is forced, so 'I never have been'). Commented Feb 14 at 16:05

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