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As the title says, poison is to poisoned as venom is to what?

I tried looking up venomed but it means something different.

Is there such a word?

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    No. It's envenomed.
    – Robusto
    Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 20:13
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    @Pubby: Your question has been asked on yahoo. There are a lot of interesting answers there. Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 20:17
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    @Robusto: Poisoned can mean that, sure. But poisoned also means "rendered ill by poison". Envenomed does not have that meaning, does it? Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 20:26
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    To clarify, I was asking about the illness. I should have been more clear in the post, although having both answers is still useful.
    – Pubby
    Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 20:29
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    The question is pointless. Just because venom exists as a particular subset of "types of poison" doesn't mean there should be a special word for poisoned by venom as opposed to poisoned by any other substance apart from venom. Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 21:23

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Actually, venomed exists and you can find it here. In literature I have seen the expression venomed arrows, meaning covered with venom, but according to this source it also means poisoned as the past participle of the verb venom.

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  • I said in my answer that I haven't seen venomed use as a verb but I think you've made a good point!
    – Rachel
    Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 0:21
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In biology, the term envenomated (past participle of envenomate) is used for this; Google Books turns up uses like:

  • Distribution of Venoms in Envenomated Animals
  • Called strike-induced chemosensory searching (SICS), this phenomenon facilitates location of an envenomated rodent which might wander several meters from the snake after the strike.
  • The first experience is receiving a dry bite and not being envenomated at all.

That said, I think I'd only use envenomated if the venom is actually delivered by a venomous animal (especially a snake, via bite). If, say, someone were to extract snake venom and use it to poison someone's drink, I think the recipient would be poisoned, not "envenomated".Edit: Never mind, please disregard this paragraph. Firstly, snake venom isn't actually poisonous (though it's not a good idea to drink it, because if you happen to have a small cut or sore in your mouth or throat, the venom can get in that way). And secondly, "envenomated" is also used when scientists inject venom as part of an experiment, not just when it's delivered by the venomous animal.

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    'envenomate' seems too long a word. The prefix 'en-' and the suffix '-ate' appear to perform the same function. I prefer 'envenom'. Commented Jul 1, 2012 at 22:28
  • @BarryBrown But they don't. A blade can be (poetically) envenomed with poison. Evolution has gradually envenomated some species. It didn't smear poison on them. They gradually developed mechanisms to produce poison.
    – lly
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 5:42
  • I upvoted this xD but I've come to realize that it's wrong. It's a valid past tense for a verb of one context in which venom can be discussed. It can't ever be used in answer to OP's question, though, because there's no way that the POISON:POISONED part works in this context. The evolutionary development of poison isn't poisoning and the past tense of that process having happened would never be poisoned.
    – lly
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 7:35
  • Edit: Upon further checking, I guess I'll still upvote it. Yeah, your sources are using it to just mean injected with venom + I'm sciency and not to describe the evolutionary process.
    – lly
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 7:39
  • I think the last paragraph stands correct within that context. You just might add the bit at the end about the additional "we got the venom into the mouse" sense.
    – lly
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 7:40
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To envenom someone or something is to make it poisonous or to add poison to it. So, if using poison in the figurative sense of fouling, embittering, spoiling, etc. it would be acceptable, as in envenoming a relationship. It would not be suitable when using poison in the sense of murdering someone by poison, or adulterating something lethally.

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  • I assumed (perhaps too presumptuously) that poison was being used in its obvious sense (that is 'to poison' as a snake would poison a child or as murderer would poison his/her victim). My interpretation of the word 'poison' found that 'venom' could also be a verb meaning the same as 'poison' in that context but that this use of 'venom' was archaic so we wouldn't make the comparison. However, I think your response points out that a comparison can be made if we are using 'poison' in a different sense (that is 'to envenom'). The answer may depend on the context in which the phrase is being used.
    – Rachel
    Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 0:30
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    "The point envenomed too! Then, venom, to thy work." Commented Feb 6, 2012 at 4:16
  • @Rachel Snakes don't have hands to poison children or anyone else. Snakes bite children, after which they are poisoned by the venom in their blood.
    – lly
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 5:40
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In the common usage, whereas if a person ingested poison he would be said to have been poisoned, if he received venom the perfect participle would depend on the delivery system: bitten by a snake, spider or biting insect, stung by a bee or scorpion or stinging insect.

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  • Or just "poisoned"
    – Oldcat
    Commented Mar 21, 2014 at 0:07
  • @Oldcat not if you want to differentiate between lethal ingestion and toxic injection by an animal of some kind. Commented Mar 21, 2014 at 22:21
  • @Oldcat, no one is going to change the verb to differentiate lethal ingestion, but Mr Fink is nonetheless right that, no, you don't say a person with a beesting is poisoned, ever. You could say someone with a severe amount of snake venom in their system has (passively) been poisoned, though. Still, more normal to vary by delivery: He was poisoned by his children, he was bit by a snake, he got poisoned by some berries/from a snakebite.
    – lly
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 5:38
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The way I see it is that 'venom' and 'poison' are both nouns. They are also both verbs; however, in reality, we don't actually hear 'vemon' used as a verb. Some dictionary entries depict 'venom' only as a noun (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/venom) whereas those that depict 'venom' also as a verb tend to state that its usage as a verb is archaic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/venom).

What I am getting at is that when we say 'poison is to poisoned' we are talking about 'poison' as a verb. Technically you could say 'as venom is to venomed' (http://verbs.woxikon.com/english-verbforms/venom.php); however, since 'venom' is only ever used as a noun, we are attempting to compare a verb ('poison') and a noun ('venom') in a manner that is incomparable. I cannot think of one native English speaker I know who would have ever heard the word 'venomed'. So whilst it may be grammatically correct, I don't think that you would draw this comparison if your comparison is related to usage as as opposed to grammatical technicalities (Thus, I look to usage to answer your question not to the few authorities that stipulate that 'venom' is an archaic verb.)

Some responses have mentioned the adjectives 'poisonous' and 'venomous'. We could indeed say that, 'poison is to poisonous as venom is to venomous' (noun --> adjective, noun --> adjective) since they are both nouns in the first instance (as opposed to 'poison' as a verb and 'venom' as a noun which is my interpretation of the phrase in question).

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  • I know I've seen venomed once or twice before; but it's definitely not normal/common usage. Commented May 10, 2012 at 15:25
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OP asked:

poison:poisoned::venom:_______???________

The answer depends on the context, because you've got words there that can be used as nouns, verbs, and adjectives and the verbs can involve actions, statuses, possession, etc.

 

If we're doing Present-Tense Verb:Past-Tense Verb as a grammar exercise, then Irene's answer is 100% right:

Poison:Poisoned::Venom:Venomed

Venomed is the usual past tense of the verb to venom in its various extremely uncommon senses. They're so uncommon that in the wild you will find people actually writing venom-ed and venom'ed to make it clear they know they're verbing a noun, even though it's been an actual (uncommon) verb since the 14th century. In fairness, though, a lot of those uses are using the word in its modern sense as to be covered and infected with an alien symbiote similar to Eddie Brock's, providing additional strength and powers while corrupting one's mind, which the OED hasn't gotten around to adding yet.

 

If we're doing Substance Noun:Past-Tense Verb for Afflicting With, then Mr Fink's answer is 95% right:

Poison:Poisoned::Venom:[Buncha Stuff]

You can say Bob poisoned Mike's food to mean Bob put poison in Mike's food and use something else to describe what happened to Mike himself, but the most common way to express that is Bob poisoned Mike. However, by far, the common thing to do when an animal gets its venom into another animal is to use the verb that describes the specific way that happened: The snake bit the Australian... The spider bit the Australian... The jellyfish stung the Australian... The bee stung the Australian... The other snake blinded the Australian by shooting its venom into his eyes... &c. The other thing that happens a non-0% of the time is to use poisoned, not venomed or envenomed which are used effectively 0% of the time. The sole examples Google knows of only consist of Redditors telling other Redditors that no one ever uses those words that way.

 

If we're doing Substance Noun:Covered-With Adjective, then Choster's answer isn't wrong but it's not the best either.

Poison:Poisoned::Venom:Poisoned

It's more common in English to say a Danish sword or Russian umbrella was envenomed or envenom'd by someone than venomed or empoisoned by them. Outside of metered poetry, many speakers would parse venomed as somehow meaning the item had been bioengineered to produce and secrete its own toxin. People are much more likely to describe such an item as poisoned, though, even if it makes some listeners think for a second or two of the sword or umbrella sweating and vomiting while sick in bed.

 

In the same way, if we're doing Substance Noun:Afflicted-With Adjective, which I think is what OP meant, then so far no one has said it outside of comments like FumbleFinger's and Oldcat's:

Poison:Poisoned::Venom:Poisoned

Mike was poisoned by the hipster IPA Bob substituted for his Bud Lite. Also the arsenic. The Australian, letting his guard down whilst on holiday, was poisoned by the asp's venom. The other possible options aren't even a blip on the radar, regardless of what toxicologists and middle-school biology teachers might pretend is more proper.

 

Finally, if we were doing Substance Noun:Past-Tense Verb for Evolutionarily Developed, then Ruakh's answer would be a correct one but that sense would be off-topic since the first part no longer works. Poison:[N/A]::Venom:Envenomated. Species that have developed venom are sometimes described as envenomated, but no species that has developed poison is described as poisoned to discuss that process. The process is sometimes described as toxification and intoxification, but no one uses toxificated and intoxicated obviously means something else entirely. The analogue empoisoned has only been used for literally and figuratively adding poison to other things. The only verb that kind of matches envenomated here is toxified, but cursory googling only finds scientists using it to describe organisms that are poisoned or cause poison because of various forms of pollution (mercury, aluminum, &c.) that make them ill or toxic for human consumption. That obviously differs from the gradual evolutionary process of starting to develop your own poison as a form of protection or aid to predation.

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Venomous - For example, a venomous snake.

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    poison is to poisoned as venom is to venomous? I don't think so... Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 20:44
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    Well, certainly not venomed. Not in modern usage. Poison and Venom are both nouns. Poisoned could be the simple past or the past participle. In the present case, it appears to be the past participle, which can also serve as an adjective. For practical purposes, its use as the past participle is very limited. Thus, I'd treat it as an adjective. If we accept "poisoned" as an adjective (poisoned minds), then we can equally accept venomous as a corresponding adjective (venomous minds). Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 21:15
  • @Jack: Good point about the "adjectival" use. As for the past tense verb, the short answer is you're poisoned by venom Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 21:27
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    @Jack: The OP has specifically mentioned (in the comments) that he was talking about the illness (i.e. poisoned = rendered ill by poison) Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 21:51
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    @Armen Tsirunyan - That doesn't change the fact that a venomous mind and a poisoned mind are one and the same. Both arise from an illness (i.e. venomous = rendered ill by venom). Commented Feb 5, 2012 at 22:03

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