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My kids watch this show on Disney Junior called PJ Masks, and in every episode a narrator comes on and utters the phrase “...to stop them messing with your day.” In one of the episodes a character even says something like “I’m gonna stop her messing up the city.” It drives me nuts. I have never heard of anyone using this phrasing (as opposed to "...stop them from messing" up..."). Is this grammatically correct, and where does this come from?

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  • Obviously, someone is messing with your head.
    – Hot Licks
    Commented Sep 16, 2018 at 2:27
  • If they were, I would try to stop them from doing it. ;)
    – tuespetre
    Commented Sep 17, 2018 at 12:56
  • It’s a mess, but nothing to do with grammar.
    – David
    Commented May 23, 2022 at 19:51

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It's a phrasal verb—actually one of a few that can be used to roughly mean the same thing. These are both from Merriam-Webster:

Mess up:

informal
: to make a mistake : to do something incorrectly • About halfway into the recipe, I realized that I had messed up, and I had to start over. —often + on • She's afraid she'll mess up on the test. • I messed up on my first attempt.

Mess with:

informal
1 : to cause trouble for (someone) : to deal with (someone) in a way that may cause anger or violence • I wouldn't want to mess with him. • You'd better not be messing with me.
2 chiefly US : to deal with or be involved with (something that causes or that could cause trouble) • The company doesn't want to mess with small distributors. • He doesn't want to mess with cocaine anymore.
3 : to handle or play with (something) in a careless way : to mess around with (something) • Don't mess with the camera.

Also, a variation in slang is something like:

I'm gonna mess you up!

Which effectively means, I'm going to hurt you. (But it also has the implication of causing damage to your body so that various parts no longer function properly.)

The phrases used in your question are along the same lines as this—where somebody is causing deliberate harm to somebody or something.

It's quite idiomatic and understood informally. (Although it's not something that would normally be used in formal speech or writing.)


The Online Etymology Dictionary says this about the verb muck (bold text mine):

late 14c., "to dig in the ground," also "to remove manure," early 15c., "to spread manure, cover with muck," from muck (n.). Meaning "to make dirty" is from 1832; in the figurative sense, "to make a mess of," it is from 1886; to muck about "mess around" is from 1856. Related: Mucked; mucking.


As for the presence or absence of the preposition from, including it seems to be more common but there's no reason why it must be present. (And in those variations where an explicit subject is not present, its presence is actually wrong.)

✔ I'm going to stop them messing with my day.
✔ I'm going to stop them from messing with my day.
✔ Stop messing me up!
✘ Stop from messing me up!
✔ Stop yourself from messing up.
✘ Stop from messing up.
✔ Stop messing up.

There is specific discussion of the use of with in the question "Do you “prevent somebody doing something”, or "prevent somebody [from] doing something?" Note that it's mentioned there that it's more common (relatively speaking) to drop with in UK English than it is in US English.

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  • Oh, I'm sorry... I did not properly emphasize the part I took issue with in the question. I am wondering about the use of "stop them ____" as opposed to "stop them from ____".
    – tuespetre
    Commented Sep 17, 2018 at 12:54
  • I have updated my answer to discuss the preposition. Commented Sep 17, 2018 at 15:05
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I used to share your irritation about this, but now I think a better question is: why should from be included?

My own inkling is it's merely carried over from the common practice of using keep from instead of stop or prevent, as in, "keep them from messing with your day."

This is just my own totally unprofessional suspicion, and I have no evidence to back it up, nor the requisite combination of knowledge and spare time to effectively find such evidence.

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  • Merriam-Webster say prevent is "often used with from", which implies not always, but some words such as discourage seem to require from. You can compare "make him leave", "persuade him to leave" and "dissuade him from leaving". There is very little consistency about prepositions.
    – Stuart F
    Commented Feb 16, 2023 at 10:08

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