Timeline for Hyphenation "kinetic"
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| Oct 3, 2012 at 16:15 | history | edited | Daniel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 13, 2012 at 22:03 | review | First posts | |||
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| Aug 21, 2012 at 19:20 | vote | accept | sebschub | ||
| Aug 21, 2012 at 14:58 | answer | added | Peter Shor | timeline score: 2 | |
| Aug 20, 2012 at 22:14 | comment | added | J.R. | @JohnLawler: "I have two animals – a dog, and a squirrel." No idea how it's syllabified, or how many syllables (maybe 2?), but it's one of my favorite quotes of all time (as heard between 0:50 and 0:55 of this video). As for my previous post, I was only basing that off guidance I've seen in the past, like: "Use a hyphen to divide words at the end of a line if necessary, and make the break only between syllables" (found here, Rule #5). But, as you point out, it's not always so simple. | |
| Aug 20, 2012 at 17:16 | comment | added | Marcus_33 | I'm really curious about the commenting here - this is the 4th unanswered questions I've seen with a very good answer in the comments (Peter Shor's), rather than being an actual answer that can be accepted. This is much different than the other SE sites I frequent. Is there a particular reason? | |
| Aug 20, 2012 at 8:14 | comment | added | sebschub | @PeterShor I added the pronunciation as given in the dictionaries. This supports your comment. | |
| Aug 20, 2012 at 8:08 | history | edited | sebschub | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 20, 2012 at 5:00 | comment | added | Peter Shor | Hyphenation rule: never hyphenate after a short vowel (unless not doing so breaks another hyphenation rule). If it's pronounced /kɪnɛtɪk/, you hyphenate after the 'n'; if it's pronounced /kənɛtɪk/, you hyphenate after the 'i'. What do the two dictionaries say about the pronunciation? | |
| Aug 20, 2012 at 3:28 | comment | added | John Lawler | Those are two separate questions. Hyphenation is strictly an artifact of the technology of printing and reading; how you hyphenate is between you and your editors. Syllables, however, have fuzzy edges, especially when they could swing either way, like bedridden and bedraggled. My nominee for the hardest English word to syllabify would be squirrel; it can vary from one to 5 syllables (though 5 is rare except in Japanese English). But syllables are always being omitted in this stress-timed language. Oh, and it's not letters; it's sounds. Letters are technology. | |
| Aug 20, 2012 at 3:23 | comment | added | J.R. | After reading what @JohnLawler said, I wonder if a better question is the more general one: Are there any particular letter formations that make it hard to figure out where syllables should be separated? E.g., would fanatic give us the same problem as kinetic? (And, in the case where it's ambiguous, does that mean one could hyphenate it in either place, if the word needed to be hyphenated in a paragraph of text?) | |
| Aug 20, 2012 at 0:54 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Aug 19, 2012 at 20:24 | comment | added | John Lawler | There is no official hyphenation in English. All punctuation is a matter of individual opinions, occasionally codified, but all contradictory. Phonologically, there is often no letter-perfect ending of on syllable and beginning of the next. In kinetic [kʰɨ'nɛɾɨk]there are two consonants, [n] and [ɾ], that separate syllables; the question is whether the first syllable is [kʰɨn] or [kʰɨ], the second syllable is [nɛ], [nɛɾ], [ɛ], or [ɛɾ], or the third syllable is [ɾɨk] or [ɨk]. The problem is that the [n] nasalizes the first syllable, and the [ɾ] occurs between stressed and unstressed. | |
| Aug 19, 2012 at 18:51 | comment | added | Dave | I've been mumbling 'kinetic' to myself for 30 seconds; I'm not sure I see a difference. | |
| Aug 19, 2012 at 18:12 | comment | added | Cameron | I'd say this is a duplicate of Hyphenation of “balaclava”, but the accepted answer to that question is unsatisfying. Also, the wikipedia article on syllabification simply says, "there are differences between British and US syllabification and even between dictionaries of the same English variety." It would be great to get a more thorough answer from the community. | |
| Aug 19, 2012 at 17:55 | history | asked | sebschub | CC BY-SA 3.0 |