Timeline for What is the grammar term for "John" in "I John want to eat." [duplicate]
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| May 30, 2022 at 14:28 | comment | added | Jesse | @FumbleFingers I've explained why it has practical uses for some fields, including mine. That said, it is indeed just silly if one has no use, and can be harmful. We all have different things that matter and don't. | |
| May 30, 2022 at 13:37 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | No, I'm afraid I don't get you. I never heard of "intensive reflexive pronoun" before now either, but quite frankly I think that's not a very good designation anyway. The Wikipedia author could at least have called it an intensifying reflexive pronoun, for consistency with the more general use of intensifier for a broad range of such usages. But ferreting around for precise technical terms to describe specific usages strikes me as a mug's game. Like Victorian grammarians desperately trying to shoehorn the elements of modern English into a categorisation system appropriate to Latin. | |
| May 30, 2022 at 13:22 | comment | added | Jesse | @FumbleFingers My degree is in Greek, but not English, so I asked that part here. And yeah, going into the Greek is a can of worms, or wormy oranges and apples. My point is that the English details of terms really can matter with some fields that involve English. So, the details I’m asking for are relevant. Get me? | |
| May 30, 2022 at 11:40 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | Hmmm. Well, I don't know much about ancient Greek orthography, but I'm pretty sure we don't meaningfully have access to the real (spoken) language they used. But I doubt they had written commas, and who's to say whether The king Agamemnon had a brother Menelaus would have had "pauses" before either of those names? From the perspective of a modern-day Anglophone, the presence / absence of those commas/pauses might be critical in assigning "linguistic sub-categories" to those "appositive" names. But at the end of the day, we might just be inappropriately comparing apples and oranges. | |
| May 30, 2022 at 10:55 | comment | added | Jesse | @FumbleFingers I'm at a loss here, because I know where both of you are coming from. I need discussion on Greek -> English translation; many of the grammar terms are the same, so asking just for the English terms is sufficient. If I went to Linguistics, they should probably tell me to ask here. But here, it's more technical than most people need. But, here is where the experts are who know the answer to my question. | |
| May 30, 2022 at 10:51 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | Well, I guess you could ask for clarification on Linguistics. Unless I've missed something, it seems to me the possible difference between using I, John Smith in a legal document or as self-identification in person in a meeting, AND the difference between those and my example My brother, Jack Smith might exemplify the specific range of "sub-types" you're interested in. | |
| May 30, 2022 at 10:48 | comment | added | Jesse | @FumbleFingers having terms to talk about how language is used can have implications when trying to understand the meaning. It really makes a difference there. "Usage", that way, wouldn't just be using it correctly, but understanding based on how it is used. That's where I was coming from. | |
| May 30, 2022 at 10:46 | comment | added | Jesse | @FumbleFingers I actually needed it on Hermeneutics. We could argue that asking for grammar terms like this is off topic, if Linguistics wants them. | |
| May 30, 2022 at 10:46 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | ...I'm sure someone could make a case for saying (1) I, John Smith, do not support this proposal and (2) ...but my brother, Jack Smith, does support it. are different types of "appositive". But what's the point? | |
| May 30, 2022 at 10:41 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | I'm not sure how meaningful it is to keep subdividing syntactic categories like this, bearing in mind that the actual underlying language isn't "specified by design" to fit into this somewhat arbitrary set of pigeonholes. I can see good arguments for saying that in a legal document, for example, I, John Smith, do hereby declare... is a "restrictive appositive" (distinguishing this "I" from everyone else's written depositions). But if John Smith uses those very same words to start addressing a meeting in person, it's just BillJ's "supplementary appositive". | |
| May 30, 2022 at 10:10 | comment | added | Jesse | @FumbleFingers Alright, fair enough. Is there really an answer that provides this information? Should I move my answer somewhere else? | |
| May 30, 2022 at 10:09 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | @JesseSteeleיִשַׁי: John Lawler also says yours is a duplicate question about an "appositive" usage, so I think I'm in good company! :) | |
| May 29, 2022 at 18:24 | history | edited | Jesse | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 29, 2022 at 18:21 | comment | added | Jesse | This post is about "uncle Jack", which could also be considered a title, such as "Mr. Kipling", baring punctuation. My question couldn't possibly have that confusion. | |
| May 29, 2022 at 18:16 | history | closed |
John Lawler FumbleFingers Edwin Ashworth |
Duplicate of Correct punctuation with two nouns? [duplicate], Grammar analysis: [We] [two brothers] are responsible for this act. [We] [both] are responsible for this act | |
| May 29, 2022 at 18:06 | answer | added | Jesse | timeline score: 0 | |
| May 29, 2022 at 17:59 | comment | added | Jesse | @FumbleFingers Please look at least at the first comment before recommending dups. The answer to that proposed dup is a "determinative". The answer to my question is "appositive". "Determinative" comments help to clarify, is useful, but it does not provide an answer. | |
| May 29, 2022 at 17:54 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | Does this answer your question? Grammar analysis: [We] [two brothers] are responsible for this act. [We] [both] are responsible for this act Also Must Appositives be in the Same Person? | |
| May 29, 2022 at 17:16 | review | Close votes | |||
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| May 29, 2022 at 16:41 | comment | added | John Lawler | It's a noun phrase, all right. This construction is called an Appositive noun phrase. Both the subject NP and the appositive NP refer to the same thing (or person, as here). | |
| May 29, 2022 at 16:41 | comment | added | Yosef Baskin | Works like any appositive. I, the speaker, sayeth thus. You, Baby, are the best. | |
| May 29, 2022 at 16:23 | history | asked | Jesse | CC BY-SA 4.0 |