Timeline for Sentence with doubtful syntax
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| Nov 16, 2020 at 11:42 | comment | added | LPH | @BillJ Oh! Sorry! That is an error. It should be "Next you say that "not only" is not a coordinator. | |
| Nov 16, 2020 at 11:33 | comment | added | BillJ | @LPH. In that case why did you say three comments ago, quote: "Next you call "not only" a coordinator ...". | |
| Nov 16, 2020 at 11:13 | comment | added | LPH | @BillJ Of course not, I know that, you say it is not one, but denying that it is one understates that others call it that, which is not exact: by itself it is not a coordinator. | |
| Nov 16, 2020 at 11:06 | comment | added | BillJ | @LPH I never said that "not only" was a coordinator! | |
| Nov 16, 2020 at 10:59 | comment | added | LPH | @BillJ as such it prepares the reader for another idea, to be found in the next clause (or the second sentence of a cleft sentence structure) and it contributes therefore to a connection. (2/2) | |
| Nov 16, 2020 at 10:54 | comment | added | LPH | @BillJ That is the reference, yes. You say that "not only" modifies the verb; I don't agree: this locution does not bear upon the verb so as to say that verbs should have an additional characteristic on top of being largely uninflected, but it bears upon the whole clause. Next, you call "not only" a coordinator; that is not what is reckoned by CGEL and not what I find logical either: there is really a coordinator but it is the correlative coordinator "not only…**but**". What is clear to me, if nothing else is, is that "not only" bears upon the whole clause; (1/2) | |
| Nov 16, 2020 at 10:25 | comment | added | BillJ | @LPH If you're referring to Quirk et al's CGEL, it has been proved to be wrong on many things and this is one of them. I gave you a very precise reason in my comment 14 Oct to your answer. Please read it again | |
| Nov 15, 2020 at 18:19 | comment | added | LPH | @BillJ I don't know what to say to you: CGEL(13.33) does assert that not only …but is a correlative coordinator (not a subordinator) and that is what I go by but the fine analysis of why it is a coordinator is not a theory that figures in my background. I couldn't set out to demonstrate that with my present grammatical background. I have to take on faith that this is a coordinating correlative. | |
| Nov 15, 2020 at 18:10 | comment | added | BillJ | @LPH You're wrong about that for the reason I gave you in my first comment about your answer. | |
| Nov 15, 2020 at 18:07 | comment | added | BillJ | @Joseph What grammatical error? The second coordinate contains 'gapping', where the verb phrase "are largely uninflected in English is omitted but recoverable from the first coordinate. | |
| Nov 15, 2020 at 18:05 | comment | added | LPH | Actually, what I meant is that "but also" would not be preceding a dependent clause, this being so as with correlative conjunctions, which are neither plain coordinating conjunctions nor subordinating conjunctions, there is preservation of an equality between the correlated parts, as there is for instance in the case of coordination of independent clauses. "Not only …but" is not a subordinating correlative but instead a coordinating correlative and so, in this sentence there is no subordination. | |
| Nov 15, 2020 at 13:36 | history | edited | Joseph | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Created a new example. Thanks to LPH for the catch.
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| Nov 15, 2020 at 13:32 | comment | added | Joseph | @LPH Thanks for that. I have created a new example in its place. | |
| Nov 15, 2020 at 13:26 | comment | added | Joseph | @Hellion Thanks, thought it was wrong. Corrected. | |
| Nov 15, 2020 at 13:24 | history | edited | Joseph | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Corrected wordage, and decided to quote from the dictionary for the best example. Thanks to Hellion in the comments for notifying me of the mistake.
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| Nov 13, 2020 at 20:02 | comment | added | LPH | You can't have subordination with correlative conjunctions, I don't think so. | |
| Nov 13, 2020 at 19:43 | history | edited | LPH | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
added 1 character in body
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| Nov 13, 2020 at 19:06 | review | Late answers | |||
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| Nov 13, 2020 at 18:45 | review | First posts | |||
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| Nov 13, 2020 at 18:42 | history | answered | Joseph | CC BY-SA 4.0 |