Timeline for What is the etymology and correct usage of the phrase "for the good of the order"?
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| Nov 7, 2017 at 6:51 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackEnglish/status/927790654729654272 | ||
| Nov 6, 2017 at 20:19 | comment | added | JEL | The phrase, which later may have been adopted by Robert (or his heirs--I didn't find the phrase in the 11th, 2011, edition or any of the public editions to 1915), wound its way through monastic and monastic-military orders (St Francis, Knights of Malta) into general use in any orderly meetings, most notably union meetings. It considerably predates parlimentary procedure codification, as shown by the quasi-legalistic 1256 document reproduced in my answer. | |
| Nov 6, 2017 at 17:56 | history | reopened |
JEL RaceYouAnytime Laurel♦ Hellion Janus Bahs Jacquet |
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| Nov 6, 2017 at 16:20 | comment | added | JosephStyons | Regarding the 'on hold' note, I added my own research notes. I did search for the term before posting, and indeed a few Roberts Rules references do come up. But I wondered whether there were alternative meanings. There is one manager at my place of employment who uses this phrase and frankly it seems a bit pretentious, but I wondered if there was more than meets the eye. | |
| Nov 6, 2017 at 16:18 | history | edited | JosephStyons | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Nov 5, 2017 at 22:48 | answer | added | JEL | timeline score: 3 | |
| Nov 5, 2017 at 19:15 | history | closed |
FumbleFingers Arm the good guys in America Nigel J tchrist♦ |
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| Nov 3, 2017 at 21:21 | comment | added | WS2 | @FumbleFingers Choster's answer is helpful. Clearly Robert's Rules of Order has been influential in US, and belongs to the same decade as Erskine May i.e. 1840s. Though the latter is only concerned with Parliament itself. When I was a Parish Councillor in the 1990s we had a rather old-world Chairman (e.g.we began meetings with a prayer) and I do recall a good deal of use of "order". He would "call the meeting to order", and dot the i's and cross the t's "for the sake of good order". There was an "order of business" etc. Though I never heard "the good of the order" mentioned. | |
| Nov 3, 2017 at 16:52 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | ...also, I'm a bit iffy about the suggestion that for the good of the order is some kind of "set phrase" predicated on the idea that an organisation should specifically arrange the sequence of "items to be discussed" at board meetings so that all "self-referential" items concerned with matters internal to organisation itself are dealt with after those concerning "external" matters. It strikes me as something of a quaint Victorian thing, and searching for the phrase in Google Books I found only one such instance (dated 1874) in the first few dozen matches returned. | |
| Nov 3, 2017 at 16:37 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | @WS2: For the good of the order / club / team / company / country / etc.. It's all the same, and I really can't see why OP thinks "order" might somehow be fundamentally different to any alternatives. Obviously if we'd been told that OP sometimes hears this at the end of a darts club meeting, we'd lean strongly towards your "facetious" interpretation. But if we knew it was a meeting of, say, Freemasons, the more "literal" interpretation would be naturally understood. | |
| Nov 2, 2017 at 19:22 | vote | accept | JosephStyons | ||
| Nov 2, 2017 at 16:39 | comment | added | Arm the good guys in America | Above gentlemen, why couldn't for the good the order be used (uncapitalized) in the way for the good of the team/club/organization is used in a discourse about a specific team/club/organization? | |
| Nov 2, 2017 at 16:17 | answer | added | choster | timeline score: 14 | |
| Nov 2, 2017 at 15:38 | comment | added | WS2 | @FumbleFingers It sounds more likely to me that "Order" is being used ironically - e.g. at a meeting of the Dog and Duck's darts team. However, I agree that in any event it needs a capital O. | |
| Nov 2, 2017 at 14:58 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Nov 2, 2017 at 14:40 | comment | added | FumbleFingers | We'd need more context, but my feeling is Order should probably be capitalised. Presumably the speaker is referring to some context-specific order (society of monks, nuns, knights, etc.) that stands to benefit from whatever might be discussed. | |
| Nov 2, 2017 at 14:25 | history | asked | JosephStyons | CC BY-SA 3.0 |