Timeline for Does "nonstandard English" come across as judgmental in the following context?
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| Nov 4, 2017 at 12:53 | comment | added | aparente001 | Thanks, walen, I'm going to go with "unfamiliar accents." This puts the focus squarely on me, the listener, and not on the speaker. And it will hopefully sound less judgmental. | |
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| Oct 7, 2017 at 8:54 | comment | added | Janus Bahs Jacquet | → is definitely standard, and at another point, they will agree that something is definitely not standard. Incidentally, in English it doesn’t really matter that much whether we’re talking about spelling or pronunciation, since English spelling is no more regulated than its pronunciation. | |
| Oct 7, 2017 at 8:53 | comment | added | Janus Bahs Jacquet | You also have to remember that we’re not talking about Texas or California accents here. Those will all be considered at least somewhat standard, though departing to various degrees from the most standard dialects. We’re talking about a non-native speaker’s accent. If I spoke Spanish and pronounced everything as though I were reading Chinese out loud, I can guarantee you that no Spanish speaker would consider it ‘standard’, or indeed be able to understand a word of what I said. The same goes for English. Standardness is gradual, but at some point, most people will agree that something → | |
| Oct 7, 2017 at 8:47 | comment | added | Janus Bahs Jacquet | @walen Yes, there certainly are accents that are recognised as being more standard than others. General Broadcast American (i.e., what you hear in Hollywood films and on national news) and BBC English are both recognised by native speakers of their respective countries to be as neutral as you can get. That’s pretty much the definition of ‘standard’: neutrality. A heavy Glasgow or Bombay accent will generally not be considered neutral except by people from the particular areas where these accents are spoken natively. | |
| Oct 6, 2017 at 12:27 | comment | added | walen | @MSalters But we're not talking about spelling, we're talking about pronunciation, about accents. Are there recognized standard accents in English? Is the Texas accent more or less standard than the New Maine accent? California vs Alabama? New York vs London? How about Aussie accent? Is Indian accent officially shunned as "nonstandard"? | |
| Oct 6, 2017 at 11:16 | comment | added | MSalters | Use of non-standard implies there are one or more standards, and neither of them is adhered to. Your example of Spanish is a good example. I can come up with a gross misspelling of common Spanish words, such that all those Spanish academies will agree that it's not proper Spanish by any standard. | |
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| Oct 6, 2017 at 6:50 | history | answered | walen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |