Timeline for Using diacritics
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| Jun 24, 2017 at 8:16 | comment | added | herisson | @JanusBahsJacquet: Well, I'm Mary/merry/marry merged, so my intuition doesn't necessarily apply for non-merged speakers, but I would say it is /eɪ/. I just realized the last sentence of my last comment is wrong--phonemic /eə/ seems to be necessary in accents that have ash-tensing with lexical exceptions to the rules. For me, "goalie" has a smoothed/velarized "o" (something like /oə̯/ or /o̞ə̯/, more or less the same vowel as I use in "gory") while "slowly" has a rising diphthong /oʊ/. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 8:07 | comment | added | Janus Bahs Jacquet | @sumelic So which phoneme would you say it is, then? /eɪ/ with syllabification after a following /r/? I suppose that would work… Even so, pharaoh is quite commonly pronounced with a short /a/ as well, which basically just makes it unclear what exactly the asker is looking for. (I'm also curious as to how goalie and slowly differ phonetically for you—they're the same for me, apart from the initial consonant of course, and I don't recall ever registering a distinction in others either.) | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 7:59 | comment | added | herisson | @JanusBahsJacquet: I would say the vowel quality is the phonetic realization of the phonological distinction based on syllabification/junction. I'm not familar with any phonemic analysis of North American English that postulates /eə/ as a distinct phoneme. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 7:50 | comment | added | Janus Bahs Jacquet | @sumelic It's not just about syllabification, but also simply vowel quality. Fair(y) has /eə/ (syllabified after the consonant), carry/marry has /a/ (also syllabified after the consonant), and mayory has /eɪ/ (syllabified before the consonant). To me at least, only the third has the ‘long a’ sound; pharaoh varies between the two first, never the third. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 5:13 | answer | added | 1006a | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 4:34 | comment | added | Lawrence | The marks exist, but I suspect they came with specific loan words - I don't think they're native to the English language. Even cooperate, mentioned in the article you linked to, is unadorned in standard English. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 4:22 | comment | added | Jim | @Lawrence - newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-curse-of-the-diaeresis | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 4:15 | comment | added | Lawrence | I don't think English has any diacritical marks natively. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 3:26 | comment | added | Jim | @sumelic- I convinced myself that it was approximately correct by starting to say the word fat which has the short ’a’ sound and before uttering the final ’t’ changing to say the ’r’ followed by ’oh’. WhIch I thought was much closer to OP’s desired pronunciation. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 3:22 | comment | added | herisson | @Jim: That's about syllabification or "juncture", though, not vowel length per se. I don't pronounce "goalie" the same as "slowly" but both have a "long o" vowel. For some people, the vowel in words like "fair" and "fairy" is distinct from the vowel in words like "carry" and "marry". english.stackexchange.com/questions/88115/… | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 3:20 | comment | added | Jim | @sumelic - I pronounce it fair-oh not fay-row | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 3:18 | comment | added | herisson | @Jim: Hmm, but "Pharaoh" is generally pronounced with the "long a" sound, for people who distinguish these sounds in this position. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 2:54 | comment | added | Jim | In some systems for Pronunciation respelling for English including American Heritage Dictionary notation, ă represents the so-called "short A" sound, /æ/. | |
| Jun 24, 2017 at 1:57 | comment | added | herisson | This is unfortunately impossible; you have to use a separate guide to the pronunciation the way you do in this post ("as in the Egyptian Pharaoh"). "Fâro" has as wide a range of possible pronunciations as "Faro". See the similar question English regarding the letter i being pronounced as ee | |
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