Timeline for Use of second "the" in "The Art of the Deal"?
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| Feb 5, 2017 at 0:29 | history | protected | tchrist♦ | ||
| Dec 27, 2016 at 21:19 | history | bumped | CommunityBot | This question has answers that may be good or bad; the system has marked it active so that they can be reviewed. | |
| Nov 27, 2016 at 15:08 | comment | added | Alan Carmack | Yes, but again I ask you, why don't you question the use of the before art? | |
| Nov 27, 2016 at 14:51 | comment | added | Hot Licks | "The deal" identifies a "thing", vs a process. It implies that achieving these things is the "art", and the ultimate goal, vs the process of negotiation. | |
| Nov 27, 2016 at 14:29 | answer | added | Steve Franey | timeline score: -3 | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 16:57 | comment | added | Tong Fan | @Araucaria Why not put your answer in the Answer section so that I can vote for it? I think it's the most possible, if not right, answer. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 16:50 | comment | added | Tong Fan | @Ant P Alan Carmack Thank you for replying. Yes, I thought native English-speakers wouldn't feel strange, like I did. Otherwise, the book publisher wouldn't allow it, or the American public would have said something already! :-) | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 16:43 | comment | added | Tong Fan | @Lawrence You're right, it's weird if there is no a "the" when used inside a sentence, because it nicely falls within the Law of Araucaria, which says that "deal" is a countable noun so it has to have an article. As for Deal of the Day, hmmm...., I guess it's a question for another day. :-) Thank you. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 16:14 | comment | added | Araucaria - Him | @AlanCarmack ~It's a linguistics thing mainly, but efl too, I suppose. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 16:09 | comment | added | Tong Fan | @Araucaria I think you may be right. Deal is a countable noun with no uncountable meaning, so it has to come with an "a" or "the." Searching the web, I found many examples of "the deal" used in phrases of indefinite sense. For example, a blog from Harvard Law School says "5 Tips for Closing the Deal." So, I guess that could be it! Thank you, Araucaria ! | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 16:02 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackEnglish/status/801455857301147648 | ||
| Nov 23, 2016 at 15:11 | comment | added | Alan Carmack | You haven't mentioned the use of the first the ('the art'). Does it bother you? Why or why not? How does its usage compare to/differ from the second 'the'? And yes I am a native speaker (of American English); are you a native speaker? I ask because most native speakers have never heard of generic noun phrases, just like we've never heard of first conditional, second conditional, etc. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 13:52 | comment | added | Araucaria - Him | +1 Nice grammar question. Hope you get a good answer. This is about countable and uncountable nouns and the generic use of the definite article. Notice that war and movement are both used in their uncountable senses in the titles you mention. There is no comparable uncountable sense of deal. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 13:48 | comment | added | Alan Carmack | @TongFan The title is completely natural. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 10:48 | comment | added | Lawrence | To my ear, deal requires a determiner in your example. Maybe this has something to do with deal usually being understood as a verb when used without a determiner. (NB: Deal of the Day sounds fine, but this is *deal of the day doesn't. I suspect it doesn't whenever deal isn't the first word of a title / headline.) | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 9:26 | answer | added | Frank Birch | timeline score: 1 | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 8:35 | comment | added | user140086 | Welcome to English Language and Usage. I edited out the second question which is off-topic. One question per post is the guideline of Stack Exchange. Please review the edit. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 8:34 | history | edited | user140086 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Edited out the second question.
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| Nov 23, 2016 at 7:51 | comment | added | Ant P | @TongFan the title is completely natural to a native English speaker | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 6:36 | comment | added | Tong Fan | @Alan Carmack So, as a native English-speaker, which I suppose you are, do you feel the title weird? Do any other English-speakers feel it weird? After all, language/grammar is defined by those who use it. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 5:34 | comment | added | jamesqf | It's not Trump's book. It was written by Tony Schwartz. Trump just paid to have his name on the cover. | |
| Nov 23, 2016 at 5:14 | comment | added | Alan Carmack | A 'deal' is an agreement. Trump is known for his many real estate (and business) agreements or 'deals' that have brought him millions of dollars. 'The deal' is used as a generic term and signifies the prototypical deal that Trump has made. In addition, as part of a title, 'deal' could have multiple meanings; one would have to be more familiar with the book to say more. | |
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| Nov 23, 2016 at 4:45 | history | asked | Tong Fan | CC BY-SA 3.0 |