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Can a sentence like this: "I don't know who the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place was,"

"I don't know who the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place was,"

be grammatically correct if we don't put "was" at the end of the long phrase, that is, if we write: "I don't know who was the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place"?

"I don't know who was the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place"?

I can see in Google Books examples that in such cases the verb is often put after the wh-word, but I don't know if there is a grammar rule to support this. Some examples:

"We do not know who was the first man who ascended above a poor and humble people to become Egypt's first king ..."

"... we do not know what was the ultimate judgment of the various members of the community ..."

"I do not know who was the first to suggest a connection between the problem of free will and the breakdown ..."

"I do not know what was the date of this change in me, nor of the train of ideas ..."

"We do not know what was the primitive text from which Codex Bezae derived its Latin or its Greek ..."

"We do not know what was the practice in the days of the monarchy, but the story of Athaliah shows ..."

Can a sentence like this: "I don't know who the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place was," be grammatically correct if we don't put "was" at the end of the long phrase, that is, if we write: "I don't know who was the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place"?

I can see in Google Books examples that in such cases the verb is often put after the wh-word, but I don't know if there is a grammar rule to support this. Some examples:

"We do not know who was the first man who ascended above a poor and humble people to become Egypt's first king ..."

"... we do not know what was the ultimate judgment of the various members of the community ..."

"I do not know who was the first to suggest a connection between the problem of free will and the breakdown ..."

"I do not know what was the date of this change in me, nor of the train of ideas ..."

"We do not know what was the primitive text from which Codex Bezae derived its Latin or its Greek ..."

"We do not know what was the practice in the days of the monarchy, but the story of Athaliah shows ..."

Can a sentence like this:

"I don't know who the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place was,"

be grammatically correct if we don't put "was" at the end of the long phrase, that is, if we write:

"I don't know who was the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place"?

I can see in Google Books examples that in such cases the verb is often put after the wh-word, but I don't know if there is a grammar rule to support this. Some examples:

"We do not know who was the first man who ascended above a poor and humble people to become Egypt's first king ..."

"... we do not know what was the ultimate judgment of the various members of the community ..."

"I do not know who was the first to suggest a connection between the problem of free will and the breakdown ..."

"I do not know what was the date of this change in me, nor of the train of ideas ..."

"We do not know what was the primitive text from which Codex Bezae derived its Latin or its Greek ..."

"We do not know what was the practice in the days of the monarchy, but the story of Athaliah shows ..."

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Inversion/non-inversion in wh-questions with long phrases after the wh-words

Can a sentence like this: "I don't know who the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place was," be grammatically correct if we don't put "was" at the end of the long phrase, that is, if we write: "I don't know who was the first man that made such and such thing in such and such place"?

I can see in Google Books examples that in such cases the verb is often put after the wh-word, but I don't know if there is a grammar rule to support this. Some examples:

"We do not know who was the first man who ascended above a poor and humble people to become Egypt's first king ..."

"... we do not know what was the ultimate judgment of the various members of the community ..."

"I do not know who was the first to suggest a connection between the problem of free will and the breakdown ..."

"I do not know what was the date of this change in me, nor of the train of ideas ..."

"We do not know what was the primitive text from which Codex Bezae derived its Latin or its Greek ..."

"We do not know what was the practice in the days of the monarchy, but the story of Athaliah shows ..."