Timeline for The elision of alveolar plosives
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| Jul 9, 2015 at 2:32 | history | edited | tchrist♦ |
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| Apr 2, 2015 at 0:54 | vote | accept | Zoltan King | ||
| Apr 2, 2015 at 0:54 | comment | added | herisson | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Apr 2, 2015 at 0:49 | answer | added | herisson | timeline score: 8 | |
| Apr 2, 2015 at 0:44 | comment | added | Zoltan King | Thanks I will check that, but I read that Americans hear more of a difference in the stress pattern and vowel quality than in the presence or absence of the final t. | |
| Apr 2, 2015 at 0:26 | comment | added | herisson | My main issue is the prominent consonantal sound of the "n". In a sequence of vowel + nasal consonant in American English, the vowel is nasalized, and the nasal consonant is often deleted. Pronouncing it in full, as in this example, sounds like you are stressing and carefully pronouncing the word to me, and if the word is being carefully pronounced, the absence of /t/ means it must be "can" and not "can't". See this link (the relevant claim is on the first page) about the deletion of /n/: jstor.org/discover/10.2307/… | |
| Apr 2, 2015 at 0:18 | comment | added | herisson | While he says it isn't fully pronounced, it sounds to me like he is replacing it with a glottal stop rather than dropping it completely. The realization of a word-final /t/ as a glottal stop is common in British English. It still is a distinct consonant sound though. | |
| Apr 2, 2015 at 0:18 | comment | added | Zoltan King | Thanks. I misread it. As far as I know Americans don't release the T in can't. They pronounce can't [ kæn ] negative, and can [ kən ] with a schwa sound in affirmative. I don't think that T makes the distinction, rather the vowel. So, what do you think about my audio file, is it pronounced well? Are you a native American speaker? | |
| Apr 2, 2015 at 0:07 | comment | added | herisson | The rhythm/stress pattern of the phrase in your audio file is correct for the "can't" pronunciation and not the "can" one, which is good, but the complete lack of /t/ and the strongly enunciated /n/ still makes this too confusable in my opinion with "can". As @Anonym notes, if you really want to use a less prominent consonant at the end of this syllable, an unreleased alveolar stop is a fully acceptable variant. You could even use a glottal stop preceded by a nasalized vowel. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 23:59 | comment | added | Zoltan King | and here's the audio:dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1924024/cantcomplain.wav | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 23:56 | comment | added | Anonym | I don't think that it's dropped; it's simply not released. It lacks the little puff of air that we usually give after t. | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 23:56 | comment | added | Zoltan King | Here's the source: books.google.com/… | |
| Apr 1, 2015 at 23:08 | history | asked | Zoltan King | CC BY-SA 3.0 |