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Code   Glyph Name                                      General Category
⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
U+002D   -   HYPHEN-MINUS                              Dash_Punctuation
U+058A   ֊   ARMENIAN HYPHEN                           Dash_Punctuation
U+05BE   ־   HEBREW PUNCTUATION MAQAF                  Dash_Punctuation
U+1400   ᐀   CANADIAN SYLLABICS HYPHEN                 Dash_Punctuation
U+1806   ᠆    MONGOLIAN TODO SOFT HYPHEN                Dash_Punctuation
U+2010   ‐   HYPHEN                                    Dash_Punctuation
U+2011   ‑   NON-BREAKING HYPHEN                       Dash_Punctuation
U+2012   ‒   FIGURE DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2013   –   EN DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2014   —   EM DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2015   ―   HORIZONTAL BAR                            Dash_Punctuation
U+2053   ⁓   SWUNG DASH                                Other_Punctuation
U+207B   ⁻   SUPERSCRIPT MINUS                         Math_Symbol
U+208B   ₋   SUBSCRIPT MINUS                           Math_Symbol
U+2212   −   MINUS SIGN                                Math_Symbol
U+2E17   ⸗   DOUBLE OBLIQUE HYPHEN                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E1A   ⸚   HYPHEN WITH DIAERESIS                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3A   ⸺  TWO-EM DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3B   ⸻ THREE-EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+301C   〜  WAVE DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+3030   〰  WAVY DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+30A0   ゠  KATAKANA-HIRAGANA DOUBLE HYPHEN           Dash_Punctuation
U+FE31   ︱  PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EM DASH    Dash_Punctuation
U+FE32   ︲    PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EN DASH    Dash_Punctuation
U+FE58   ﹘   SMALL EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+FE63   ﹣  SMALL HYPHEN-MINUS                        Dash_Punctuation
U+FF0D   -  FULLWIDTH HYPHEN-MINUS                    Dash_Punctuation

So even when U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS is being used, it is still dash punctuation. It’s just the worldworst one to to use from the point of view of accurate typography, a vestige of the old teletypes and manual typewriters that no longer applies. If

If the BBC websites aren’t converting the code point into U+2013 EN DASH per UK publishing norms, that’s just laziness, the sort of thing you have in people’s cell phone text messages, not professional publishingtypesetting.

Code   Glyph Name                                      General Category
⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
U+002D   -   HYPHEN-MINUS                              Dash_Punctuation
U+058A   ֊   ARMENIAN HYPHEN                           Dash_Punctuation
U+05BE   ־   HEBREW PUNCTUATION MAQAF                  Dash_Punctuation
U+1400   ᐀   CANADIAN SYLLABICS HYPHEN                 Dash_Punctuation
U+1806   ᠆    MONGOLIAN TODO SOFT HYPHEN                Dash_Punctuation
U+2010   ‐   HYPHEN                                    Dash_Punctuation
U+2011   ‑   NON-BREAKING HYPHEN                       Dash_Punctuation
U+2012   ‒   FIGURE DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2013   –   EN DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2014   —   EM DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2015   ―   HORIZONTAL BAR                            Dash_Punctuation
U+2053   ⁓   SWUNG DASH                                Other_Punctuation
U+207B   ⁻   SUPERSCRIPT MINUS                         Math_Symbol
U+208B   ₋   SUBSCRIPT MINUS                           Math_Symbol
U+2212   −   MINUS SIGN                                Math_Symbol
U+2E17   ⸗   DOUBLE OBLIQUE HYPHEN                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E1A   ⸚   HYPHEN WITH DIAERESIS                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3A   ⸺  TWO-EM DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3B   ⸻ THREE-EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+301C   〜  WAVE DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+3030   〰  WAVY DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+30A0   ゠  KATAKANA-HIRAGANA DOUBLE HYPHEN           Dash_Punctuation
U+FE31   ︱  PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EM DASH    Dash_Punctuation
U+FE32   ︲    PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EN DASH   Dash_Punctuation
U+FE58   ﹘   SMALL EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+FE63   ﹣  SMALL HYPHEN-MINUS                        Dash_Punctuation
U+FF0D   -  FULLWIDTH HYPHEN-MINUS                    Dash_Punctuation

So even when U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS is being used, it is still dash punctuation. It’s just the world one to to use from the point of view of accurate typography, a vestige of the old teletypes and manual typewriters that no longer applies. If the BBC websites aren’t converting the code point into U+2013 EN DASH per UK publishing norms, that’s just laziness, the sort of thing you have in people’s cell phone text messages, not professional publishing.

Code   Glyph Name                                      General Category
⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
U+002D   -   HYPHEN-MINUS                              Dash_Punctuation
U+058A   ֊   ARMENIAN HYPHEN                           Dash_Punctuation
U+05BE   ־   HEBREW PUNCTUATION MAQAF                  Dash_Punctuation
U+1400   ᐀   CANADIAN SYLLABICS HYPHEN                 Dash_Punctuation
U+1806   ᠆    MONGOLIAN TODO SOFT HYPHEN                Dash_Punctuation
U+2010   ‐   HYPHEN                                    Dash_Punctuation
U+2011   ‑   NON-BREAKING HYPHEN                       Dash_Punctuation
U+2012   ‒   FIGURE DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2013   –   EN DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2014   —   EM DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2015   ―   HORIZONTAL BAR                            Dash_Punctuation
U+2053   ⁓   SWUNG DASH                                Other_Punctuation
U+207B   ⁻   SUPERSCRIPT MINUS                         Math_Symbol
U+208B   ₋   SUBSCRIPT MINUS                           Math_Symbol
U+2212   −   MINUS SIGN                                Math_Symbol
U+2E17   ⸗   DOUBLE OBLIQUE HYPHEN                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E1A   ⸚   HYPHEN WITH DIAERESIS                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3A   ⸺  TWO-EM DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3B   ⸻ THREE-EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+301C   〜  WAVE DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+3030   〰  WAVY DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+30A0   ゠  KATAKANA-HIRAGANA DOUBLE HYPHEN           Dash_Punctuation
U+FE31   ︱  PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EM DASH    Dash_Punctuation
U+FE32   ︲   PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EN DASH    Dash_Punctuation
U+FE58   ﹘   SMALL EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+FE63   ﹣  SMALL HYPHEN-MINUS                        Dash_Punctuation
U+FF0D   -  FULLWIDTH HYPHEN-MINUS                    Dash_Punctuation

So even when U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS is being used, it is still dash punctuation. It’s just the worst one to to use from the point of view of accurate typography, a vestige of the old teletypes and manual typewriters that no longer applies.

If the BBC websites aren’t converting the code point into U+2013 EN DASH per UK publishing norms, that’s just laziness, the sort of thing you have in people’s cell phone text messages, not professional typesetting.

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This has been covered here before.

No, it is not typographically acceptable to use a hyphen for a dash, but you have mischaracterized the issue. Those are spaced en dashes, which is just fine.

  If you have only a typewriter, things get confused, but in properly typeset books, there is a world of difference.

This has been covered here before. You have to judge these things based on what they are doing, not on accidents of fontage.

They are being represented by U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS, but that is an accident of software and ambiguous data entry. They are functioning as dashes, so that is what they are. That’s like when you write a -3 for −3. You are still using what is functionally a minus sign, even if you have typed U+002D and nothing changed it to the preferred U+2122 MINUS SIGN code point.

Technically speaking, Unicode has 27 code points with the “Dash” character property. How they look will vary according to the font selected and the display software. Each of them has its own set of properties that help software determine what to do with line-breaks and such. These are the 27 Unicode Dash=Yes code points:

Code   Glyph Name                                      General Category
⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
U+002D   -   HYPHEN-MINUS                              Dash_Punctuation
U+058A   ֊   ARMENIAN HYPHEN                           Dash_Punctuation
U+05BE   ־   HEBREW PUNCTUATION MAQAF                  Dash_Punctuation
U+1400   ᐀   CANADIAN SYLLABICS HYPHEN                 Dash_Punctuation
U+1806   ᠆    MONGOLIAN TODO SOFT HYPHEN                Dash_Punctuation
U+2010   ‐   HYPHEN                                    Dash_Punctuation
U+2011   ‑   NON-BREAKING HYPHEN                       Dash_Punctuation
U+2012   ‒   FIGURE DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2013   –   EN DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2014   —   EM DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2015   ―   HORIZONTAL BAR                            Dash_Punctuation
U+2053   ⁓   SWUNG DASH                                Other_Punctuation
U+207B   ⁻   SUPERSCRIPT MINUS                         Math_Symbol
U+208B   ₋   SUBSCRIPT MINUS                           Math_Symbol
U+2212   −   MINUS SIGN                                Math_Symbol
U+2E17   ⸗   DOUBLE OBLIQUE HYPHEN                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E1A   ⸚   HYPHEN WITH DIAERESIS                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3A   ⸺  TWO-EM DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3B   ⸻ THREE-EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+301C   〜  WAVE DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+3030   〰  WAVY DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+30A0   ゠  KATAKANA-HIRAGANA DOUBLE HYPHEN           Dash_Punctuation
U+FE31   ︱  PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EM DASH    Dash_Punctuation
U+FE32   ︲    PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EN DASH   Dash_Punctuation
U+FE58   ﹘   SMALL EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+FE63   ﹣  SMALL HYPHEN-MINUS                        Dash_Punctuation
U+FF0D   -  FULLWIDTH HYPHEN-MINUS                    Dash_Punctuation

So even when U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS is being used, it is still dash punctuation. It’s just the world one to to use from the point of view of accurate typography, a vestige of the old teletypes and manual typewriters that no longer applies. If the BBC websites aren’t converting the code point into U+2013 EN DASH per UK publishing norms, that’s just laziness, the sort of thing you have in people’s cell phone text messages, not professional publishing.

No, it is not typographically acceptable to use a hyphen for a dash. Those are en dashes, which is just fine.

  If you have only a typewriter, things get confused, but in properly typeset books, there is a world of difference.

This has been covered here before.

This has been covered here before.

No, it is not typographically acceptable to use a hyphen for a dash, but you have mischaracterized the issue. Those are spaced en dashes, which is just fine. If you have only a typewriter, things get confused, but in properly typeset books, there is a world of difference.

You have to judge these things based on what they are doing, not on accidents of fontage.

They are being represented by U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS, but that is an accident of software and ambiguous data entry. They are functioning as dashes, so that is what they are. That’s like when you write a -3 for −3. You are still using what is functionally a minus sign, even if you have typed U+002D and nothing changed it to the preferred U+2122 MINUS SIGN code point.

Technically speaking, Unicode has 27 code points with the “Dash” character property. How they look will vary according to the font selected and the display software. Each of them has its own set of properties that help software determine what to do with line-breaks and such. These are the 27 Unicode Dash=Yes code points:

Code   Glyph Name                                      General Category
⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
U+002D   -   HYPHEN-MINUS                              Dash_Punctuation
U+058A   ֊   ARMENIAN HYPHEN                           Dash_Punctuation
U+05BE   ־   HEBREW PUNCTUATION MAQAF                  Dash_Punctuation
U+1400   ᐀   CANADIAN SYLLABICS HYPHEN                 Dash_Punctuation
U+1806   ᠆    MONGOLIAN TODO SOFT HYPHEN                Dash_Punctuation
U+2010   ‐   HYPHEN                                    Dash_Punctuation
U+2011   ‑   NON-BREAKING HYPHEN                       Dash_Punctuation
U+2012   ‒   FIGURE DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2013   –   EN DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2014   —   EM DASH                                   Dash_Punctuation
U+2015   ―   HORIZONTAL BAR                            Dash_Punctuation
U+2053   ⁓   SWUNG DASH                                Other_Punctuation
U+207B   ⁻   SUPERSCRIPT MINUS                         Math_Symbol
U+208B   ₋   SUBSCRIPT MINUS                           Math_Symbol
U+2212   −   MINUS SIGN                                Math_Symbol
U+2E17   ⸗   DOUBLE OBLIQUE HYPHEN                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E1A   ⸚   HYPHEN WITH DIAERESIS                     Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3A   ⸺  TWO-EM DASH                               Dash_Punctuation
U+2E3B   ⸻ THREE-EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+301C   〜  WAVE DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+3030   〰  WAVY DASH                                 Dash_Punctuation
U+30A0   ゠  KATAKANA-HIRAGANA DOUBLE HYPHEN           Dash_Punctuation
U+FE31   ︱  PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EM DASH    Dash_Punctuation
U+FE32   ︲    PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL EN DASH   Dash_Punctuation
U+FE58   ﹘   SMALL EM DASH                             Dash_Punctuation
U+FE63   ﹣  SMALL HYPHEN-MINUS                        Dash_Punctuation
U+FF0D   -  FULLWIDTH HYPHEN-MINUS                    Dash_Punctuation

So even when U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS is being used, it is still dash punctuation. It’s just the world one to to use from the point of view of accurate typography, a vestige of the old teletypes and manual typewriters that no longer applies. If the BBC websites aren’t converting the code point into U+2013 EN DASH per UK publishing norms, that’s just laziness, the sort of thing you have in people’s cell phone text messages, not professional publishing.

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