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"When did or will the event happen?" — This sounds silly to me.

To make matters worse, I would like to use passive voice because the question is in reference to a statement that uses passive voice.

"When were or will they be punished?" — This is especially bad because it sounds like "When were they be punished?" is an optional way of receiving the question.

Any answer is appreciated, but I'd really like to do this using a single sentence.

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  • Sorry, I'm not sure what the question is here; could you care better explain?
    – user19148
    Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 18:43
  • Is there a particular phrase you find confusing? I'm not sure what needs clarification. Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 18:45
  • Sorry, but I do not understand the actual sense, if any, of this question!
    – user19148
    Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 18:54
  • I don't know if you have any practical usage in mind, but it's an intriguing question.
    – itsbruce
    Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 19:28
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    The subjunctive and infinite moods are miraculous moods. When it happens, you should hide under your bed. I would hide under the bed, when it ever happened. I should hide under the bed, when it happens. When would they be punished? Commented Oct 7, 2012 at 6:24

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English verbs are pretty strongly tensed, unfortunately, so any solution will be a bit odd by virtue of mixing tenses. Regardless, repeating the pronoun makes your passive example work:

When were they, or will they be, punished?

The commas are optional, but I like them.

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  • I like. I'll accept if there's nothing better in a few hours. Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 18:48
  • What if the subject of the sentence is rather long? For example: "the convicted criminals". Would you just write that out twice? Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 18:51
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    @ConleyOwens: Perhaps "As for the convicted criminals, when were they...?" could work. In any writing, what sounds good usually depends on context. Go with what seems right.
    – Jon Purdy
    Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 20:35
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How about this trick?

This happens when?

If the other person knows the event to be in the past, they should assume that you were using the historic present. If they know the event to be in the future, they will assume the simple present. Either way, you win.

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    Oh, and you're also covered for recurring events.
    – itsbruce
    Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 19:16
  • I still don’t think the present tense is very natural for past events—your sentence still sounds rather futuresome. I guess I just wouldn’t ask “When is the Battle of Hastings?” unless my time machine were acting up.
    – Jon Purdy
    Commented Oct 9, 2012 at 17:25
  • Entire novels have been written in the historic present.
    – itsbruce
    Commented Oct 9, 2012 at 17:44
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It's rather difficult to envisage the circumstances in which such a sentence would be required, but you might say When were they punished, or when will they be?

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Just about any verb-based question corners you into choosing a tense, which is precisely what you are trying to avoid.

By switching to a noun-based question, tense can be avoided.

Here are three possibilities:

  1. Date:

    Do we know the punishment date? (verbose)
    Date? (economic)

  2. Timescale:

    What timescale do we have on this? (verbose)
    Timescale? (economic)

  3. Time frame (tchrist's answer above):

    What time frame are we talking about for this event? (verbose)
    Time frame? (economic)

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  • He's not trying to avoid using a tense; he's trying to avoid implying the past or present status of an event. There is a difference.
    – itsbruce
    Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 23:28
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    @itsbruce, if I believed that, then I wouldn't have posted this answer. Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 23:50
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What about

When does punishment occur?

This leaves room to respond that it will occur or has already occurred.

In a similar vein, you could ask

When are they punished?

Again, the response can be that they have or will be.

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  • I think your first suggestion is unquestionably correct. Using present tense instead of past or future allows the question to remain valid for either case. Same as When is Easter in 2020?, where you can replace the year by any earlier one. Commented Oct 7, 2012 at 16:41
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I think I would simply ask:

Have they been punished yet?

The answer can then either be "Yes, they were punished last week", or "No, their punishment is scheduled for next week", or even, "No, the judge gave them a full pardon."

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You might use:

What time frame are we talking about for this event?

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    Wouldn't that imply that I'm asking for a timespan? The answer should be a single point in time and would like the question to make that clear. Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 18:42
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There are many clear ways to convey the desired meaning.

  1. If they have not been punished, when will they be?
  2. If they have not yet been punished, when will they be?
  3. When will they be punished if they have not been?
  4. When did or will their punishment occur?
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  • None of those satisfy the terms of the question.
    – itsbruce
    Commented Oct 6, 2012 at 23:26
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Have they or will they be punished? If so, when did or will it occur?

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Using present tense instead of past or future allows the question to remain valid for either case. Same as When is Easter in 2023?, where you can replace the year by any earlier one.

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