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When I say the word Gentiles I make three specific vowel sounds. I posted a poem in a writing group recently and everyone gave the feedback that a particular line was missing a syllable, when in my estimation it was not (it used the word Gentiles, and I asked them how many syllables it has, they say two).

I asked my wife how to say the word (I asked her "how do you say the word that means the opposite of Jews), and she said it the same way I do. We both agreed it was three syllables, but it kept bugging me, so I looked it up online and everything seems to say it's two syllables (they didn't give an explanation).

Perhaps most confusing of all, Google has the ability to let you hear how to pronounce words. It shows two syllables written down, but the way it pronounces the word is with what sounds like three syllables to my ear.

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  • Odd. I can very clearly hear a three-syllable pronunciation in my mind… and Google’s isn’t it. That’s just a diphthong, to my ear. Nov 5, 2022 at 19:00
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    @TimPederick You can listen to a whole lot of different versions of it here. Hit the skip-forward button to go on the next example each time after you've heard the current one.
    – tchrist
    Nov 5, 2022 at 19:06
  • I only hear two syllables in the Google pronunciation.
    – Hot Licks
    Nov 5, 2022 at 19:09
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    @HotLicks Hearing sounds can be a trial / Locked away in durance vile. / Do not touch another dial / Till you've walked a noisy mile / Down some busy bustling aisle. / Once you've faced your own denial / Light the room up with a smile!
    – tchrist
    Nov 5, 2022 at 19:55
  • @tchrist Thanks for the link. I expect diphthong ↔ hiatus is a continuum rather than a firm line, but I would call it three syllables in #1, two in #2, #4, #5, not sure about #3, didn’t listen to the other 3000+! Hmm… I’ve never yet used spectrograms and the like to analyse speech, but I’m wondering if that would present a noticeable difference? (On an unrelated, nitpicky note, I am apparently determined to judge that site poorly as an English resource, purely because I find this message awkwardly phrased: “Enabled JavaScript is required to listen…”!) Nov 6, 2022 at 6:38

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If you are hearing gentiles with three syllables, that matches how you hear denials with three syllables. The spelling doesn’t matter, of course. What’s happening is that in many accents, the /l/ following that diphthong has an epenthetic schwa inserted right before it: [ˈd͡ʒɛntɑjəlz]. So you hear it as having three syllables:

  1. [d͡ʒɛn]
  2. [tɑ]
  3. [jəlz]

In other accents the diphthong can even be smoothed into a monophthong, [ˈd͡ʒɛntɐɫz], which means you now have one syllable less there without the [jə] part. You can also find accents where the /l/ is weakened into a semivowel /w/ under L-vocalization, producing [ˈd͡ʒɛntɐwz].

Accents where you sometimes hear gentiles pronounced with two syllables include Southern American English in the Deep South of the United States and in Standard Southern British in southeast England.

If you’ve ever mistaken someone saying tile for someone saying tall, then you can imagine how the two-syllable version would work in those accents. I’m guessing that your own accent probably rhymes loyal and boil — and uses two syllables for both of those. But not all accents do so, sometimes producing an apparent boil–bowl merger.

Dictionaries don’t give accurate phonetics that apply to all speakers and utterances. In many cases, they’re hopelessly out of date and misleading because they do not represent actual phonetics used by native speakers anywhere anymore.

You may also be confusing some dictionary’s hyphenation guidance as actual phonetic syllabification. Those are not the same. In writing, you are allowed to split the word gentile into gen- and -tile to break it at the end of a line. That doesn’t have anything to do with its actual syllables.

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    Yes, it's exactly the same as denials. Do you know of an accent that says gentiles differently? I've never heard anyone say it with two syllables. The only thing I can think of is maybe there is some accent I'm unfamiliar with where people say gen-tuls or gen-tals, and the latter seems to match what you were saying about a two-syllable accent.
    – jaredad7
    Nov 5, 2022 at 18:06
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    @jaredad7 Accents where you sometimes hear it pronounced with two syllables include Southern American English in the Deep South of the United States and in Standard Southern British in southeast England. If you've ever mistaken someone saying tile for someone saying tall, then you can imagine how the two-syllable version would work in those accents. Your accent probably rhymes loyal and boil — and uses two syllables for both of those, but not all accents do so, sometimes producing an apparent boil–bowl merger.
    – tchrist
    Nov 5, 2022 at 18:12
  • Thanks. Ironically, I went to college in the deep south, though I grew up in New Orleans, and I can't recall anyone ever saying gen-talls. However, I can hear them saying "talls" instead of tiles in my head right now.
    – jaredad7
    Nov 5, 2022 at 18:16
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    I hear 3 syllables in "denials", but not in "gentiles". Note that "denials" has adjacent "i" and "a" sounds, and I think most people pronounce both of them, hence 3 syllables. "gentiles" does not have adjacent vowel sounds.
    – Hot Licks
    Nov 5, 2022 at 19:15
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    Yes, I can't figure out how to get three syllables, or even a diphthong out of gentiles. I say jen tiles like Jen tiles her floor. Genteel has a little bit extra going on, but I wouldn't call it a diphthong, just a bit longer vowel sound. Denial is a two syllable word with a diphthong in some dialects, but not mine.
    – Phil Sweet
    Nov 5, 2022 at 20:56

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