# How do you distinguish between the two possible distances meant by “five blocks”?

In Amer­i­can towns and cities, blocks are not usu­ally per­fectly square. If I am cor­rect, the south–north side of a block is sev­eral times longer than its west–east side is.

So five blocks can mean a short dis­tance to walk or it can mean a long dis­tance to walk, de­pend­ing on which side of the block one takes.

Do you dis­tin­guish those two cases in­stead of just say­ing five blocks, and if so, how?

• "north-south axis is several times longer than the east-west one" That may be true in some American cities. but I would be surprised if it is true in a majority of American cities. – GEdgar Dec 31 '20 at 16:38
• It's been true in multiple major US cities I've visited or been to, even those on grids. New York, LA, Phoenix, St. Louis...there isn't a universal rule like "north-south blocks are always longer" but certainly block size varies within a city, and gridded cities tend to be consistently longer in one orientation. – AlannaRose Dec 31 '20 at 17:47
• Use Google maps and look at some large US cities: Miami blocks are pretty consistently longer in the east-west direction. The same is true in Saint Paul. On the other side of the river, Minneapolis has roughly square blocks. Seattle's downtown streets run parallel and perpendicular to the water (not north-south), and the blocks are longer in the northwest-southeast direction. This is even more pronounced in Santa Monica. The list of non-conformers goes on and on. – Juhasz Dec 31 '20 at 19:09
• Looking at the downtown areas of the top 10 cities in the US by population, I can discern no common pattern. Some cities have square blocks (Chicago, Houston); Some cities have downtowns without a consistent grid (Philadelphia, San Antonio). In fact of those largest 10 cities, only San Diego and San Jose have downtowns with blocks that are "taller" than they are "wide". – nohat Dec 31 '20 at 23:33
• Not every US city even has square blocks. And in some of those that do, they are not oriented NS/EW but skew. – shoover Jan 1 at 19:13

# Blocks = Streets

There is no ambiguity because a block does not refer to distance, but instead to the actual number of streets you cross.

If you’re giving directions, go 5 blocks means you go to the fifth intersection afterwards, no matter whether those blocks are long or short, or some mix of long and short, or even variable. But using 'blocks' on curving and variable length streets like in suburbs is apt to be difficult and you'l be more likely to say 'turn on your fifth street on your right'.

Of course people sometimes use words loosely, vaguely, without really exactly knowing things, and also blocks has a loose correlation with some concept of distance that may well be used (though not often) as a substitute for distance. But in general, a block is not a particular distance; it just counts up the number of streets you cross to get there.

In Manhattan, the distance between avenues (1st Ave, 2nd Ave, etc) from east to west is very reliably ∼3½ (or ⁷⁄₂) times the distance between streets (42nd St to 43rd St) from north to south (note that both streets and avenues run at a slight angle compared with exact latitude or longitude). So 5 blocks going north–south is a much, much shorter distance than 5 blocks east–west is: just ²⁄₇ the distance. But that's just Manhattan. Other cities will be different.

There is no ambiguity because you usually have some context of which direction you’re going:

B: "Go 1 block east on 54th and then 2 blocks and some on 7th Ave"

• That's really a question more for city planners than an English language usage community. But you might be interested in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioners%27_Plan_of_1811 and youtube.com/watch?v=2Q5bICcek6s and youtube.com/watch?v=KUDVP6aRS1Y – nohat Dec 31 '20 at 23:13
• As a non-American, you come across "I had to walk five blocks!" statements fairly frequently in media, which implies a generally understood unit of distance. Especially from a EU perspective, blocks seems to be considerably longer than the average intersection (speaking from experience in having visited cities all over western Europe). – Flater Jan 1 at 1:41
• @Flater To a New Yorker, 5 blocks is nothing. 30 is when it starts to get interesting. – Todd Wilcox Jan 1 at 6:14
• @Mazura Parts of Barcelona, where there's a good section of town which is all squares. – Mitch Jan 1 at 16:06
• @Mitch I don't get your example at the end. The answer is "Practice, practice, practice!" – Luke Sawczak Jan 3 at 19:19

As Mitch’s answer says, in specific contexts like giving directions for a route, blocks are used to specify a route, regardless of distance.

But in informal contexts, blocks are widely used as a rough measure of distance, as you say. The key words here are “informal” and “rough”. Yes, it’s quite ambiguous since block lengths vary in many ways. But that’s nothing unusual; lots of widely used informal measures are similarly imprecise. A place may be described as two hours’ drive away (even though this depends on the traffic conditions and the car/driver), or fifteen minutes’ walk (though this depends on the individual’s walking speed); a slightly old-fashioned recipe might call for a handful of chopped parsley or a glass of wine (though hands and glasses differ widely). All of these vary and don’t have precise values, but they’re useful as informal measures because they’re more intuitively tangible from day-to-day experience than miles or millilitres.

Similarly, when used as a unit of distance, a block isn’t precisely or explicitly defined; it’s based on a consensus intuition of what a typical block feels like. My intuition/experience (from a decade living in northeastern North America, mostly Pittsburgh) is that usage of block as a generic unit of distance means something more like a long block (typically East–West) than to a short block (N–S). But I guess this may well vary between regions/communities; and since it’s an informal measurement, it may be hard to find more authoritative sources on the usage.

• A native New Yorker figures 20 blocks to a mile. – Phil Freedenberg Jan 1 at 21:42
• @PhilFreedenberg Which is why Utah's "Meet me at the corner of 400 South and 900 West" makes so much more sense out here. :) – tchrist Jan 1 at 22:15
• As a New Yorker, I have quite the opposite sense of “block”—that usually means the shorter blocks, as in @PhilFreedenberg’s “20 blocks to a mile,” which is true uptown/downtown in Manhattan but not crosstown (or, as far as I know, in any direction in the other boroughs—certainly one should never expect consistency, of any kind, out of Queens). – KRyan Jan 3 at 20:55

It's true that people usually don't specify what type of block they mean because it often isn't important to be that precise, as the other answers say. In the case where more precision is desired, you differentiate the two by calling them "short blocks" or "long blocks".

# local streets !

Once I was in Manhattan, New York and I asked directions. I was told the destination was about 8 blocks. No problem I thought. 15 minutes later I realized how big some of those blocks were!

At a later time I was in a Colorado town. My destination was said, by a local, to be 8 blocks away. Oh-oh I thought, might need a cab (thinking of manhattan) as my time was very limited and 15 mins each way would be too much time. Turned out 8 blocks was 4 minutes away via a short walk cos the blocks were tiny.

So when considering blocks for a walk, local facts will count a lot.

Another conclusion (the thing that draw me to answer) is that, from the above, it will be clear that there is a large ('infinite') number of possibilities depending on many factors, not limited to but including, the one I mentioned above.

• What does the cosine have to do with anything here? Seems like a bit of a tangent to me. :) – tchrist Jan 3 at 1:09

So five blocks can mean a short dis­tance to walk or it can mean a long dis­tance to walk, de­pend­ing on which side of the block one takes.

That only matters if you don't care where you are going. For instance, you receive someone's opinion that a five block walk is good exercise, and doesn't clarify which blocks, in what town, what part of that town and in which direction.

If you're getting directions to some specific location, like "oh, the art museum is five blocks that way", then that settles it. It's five of those big blocks in that direction, and not five of those little blocks in the perpendicular direction that don't bring you any closer to the art museum.