I have been listening to the commentaries to "Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers". I've just heard Grant Major say,

The horses were acquired, other than our own stable of horses, en masse, from the farms that were around the place, pony clubs and what have you say.

This appears to be used in the same way that I might use "and what have you".

Is this the same meaning?

I believe Mr. Major is from New Zealand, as this was a New Zealand production.

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    It's a bungled conflation of two different idiomatic usages - "and what have you" in this context means "and similar things". But "say" here means "for example", which logically makes no sense, since all possible alternatives are implied by "and what have you". Commented Jan 22, 2012 at 14:34

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It seems this was most likely a verbal stumble rather than an actual Kiwi-specific idiom. The only reference I can find to "what have you say" is as an interrogative meaning "What have you to say [in regards to a topic]?" which obviously wouldn't apply here. Given the context (that is, a partial list of items) it seems reasonable to conclude that (if indeed the variant was intentional at all) this particular phrase does have an identical meaning.

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    Newfie is slang for someone from New Zealand? I always thought it referred to someone from Newfoundland. Commented Jan 22, 2012 at 18:04
  • Agh, you're right. I somehow mixed up Newfie and Kiwi. I'll go edit that out.
    – Ashen
    Commented Jan 22, 2012 at 20:26
  • ..though I have heard Newzie in this context. (I believe it's an Aussie term.) Commented Jan 22, 2012 at 23:32

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