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This question has probably been asked many times, so I apologize in advance. I also apologize if it's too long and may not abide by all the rules. After seeing many examples of past perfect and past perfect progressive, I still can't figure out when and how exactly to use it. Some people say it emphasizes the process of an action expressed via past perfect, some people that it puts greater distance between actions of past perfect and past simple and some that it shouldn't be used when it's unnecessary. But I often see it used when having not used it would have provided the same clear and consistent picture. I would be very grateful if someone explained the difference between past simple and past perfect in the examples I will provide below (I came up with them myself, so I am sorry if they sound awkward).

I bolded the answers I thought fit better.

  1. After I (had done/did) all of my homework, I was finally free to go outside and play with my friends.
  2. I felt pain in my stomach after I (had just eaten/just ate) a very large breakfast. (The use of past perfect in sentences with after and before always feels strange to me, because those prepositions already provide the clue to decipher which action happens first, but I would choose past perfect over past simple here)

  3. I have examined the document you (had given/gave) me and... I found this example while browsing stackexchange and people said that "gave" sounded better. But there is no answer as to why, and as I see it, the action of giving happened before the action of examining.

  4. I (had not spoken/didn't speak) any English in my childhood and adolescence, but I started studying it at university.

  5. I (had been/was) walking down the street when I suddenly saw a $100 banknote someone (had/-) conveniently lost for me. Before choosing what to do with my unexpected windfall, I (had/-) phoned my friends to share my hesitation if spending that money was the right thing to do. (Would past perfect progressive in "had been walking" be possible? Something like "I had been walking down the street for hours when I suddenly saw him waiting for me"?)

  6. I (had/-) lived on X street before finally deciding to move out, but my parents were not happy to hear about my decision because they (had/-) always wanted me close by. (I want to express that they wanted me close by before I decided to move out) After they (had/-) finally agreed to my persistent persuasion, I started packing my things up but it wasn't long until I discovered that my father (had/-) sold the whole collection of my CDs. I was angry because I (had-) been listening to them when I (had been/was) young and (had/-) felt depressed. (I can't give you any reasons to why I chose what I chose, just what sounded better to me)

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In (1) and (2), had emphasises that the action is completed. The homework and the breakfast are finished.

(3) I have examined the document you gave me or (further back in time) I had examined the document you had given me.

(4) Either is possible.

(5) Had lost because the note must have been lost before the speaker found it. Whether or not you use past perfect for the other two verbs depends on how you are telling the story. Again, had been walking puts it further back in the past.

(5) is OK, but I used to listen to them when I was young is better. I had been listening suggests that you had recently finished doing so at the time of the house move.

  • OK, I think I am starting to understand the pattern here, thanks! – Falconhoof Nov 28 '19 at 17:03
  • This is a better explanation than mine. – RustyUK Dec 2 '19 at 5:43
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I think the problem is that there is not always a clear rule, as you explained when you referred to people saying they "Sounded" better.

Its often down to preference, some of these are quite interchangeable.

For example.

I felt pain in my stomach after I just ate a very large breakfast. Is as correct as. I felt pain in my stomach after I had just eaten a very large breakfast.

But for me as a native speaker it is clear to me that using the word "ate" here insinuates that you are referring to something that had very recently happened.

Like if a friend had come up to you and said "Hey buddy, would you like to go for a run?." You might say "Sorry dude, I just ate a large meal." whereas if you were to explain that same conversation to someone else later in the day, you would say.

"Why didn't you go for a run with John earlier?." "I had just eaten a large meal, but in truth he is too fast for me."

Hope that helps?

  • I wish you had gone over each one and marked those that sound better to you. I am going to accept your answer as best, if no one else provides any. Thank you! – Falconhoof Nov 28 '19 at 7:50
  • As a British English speaker, I would say "Sorry, but I've just eaten a large meal." – Kate Bunting Nov 28 '19 at 9:30

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