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I'm working with the CMU pronunciation dictionary and I can't comfortably say I can understand what difference in sound they're trying to indicate by splitting AA and AO into different phonemes.

Wikipedia gives "balm" and "bot" as examples of the AA sound and "bought" as an example of the "AO" sound, but I don't detect a difference in vowel sound when I say the three words.

I also went through the CMU dictionary to look for examples of AA and AO words and still can't figure it out.

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    The CMU dictionary is presumably only meant to describe American English pronunciation. In British English "balm" and "bot" are as different as "chalk" and "cheese" - they couldn't possibly be described as two examples of the same sound.
    – alephzero
    Sep 9, 2018 at 9:46
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  • @Nardog They are related questions but they are not the same question. I've already posted an answer to this question, and it would not serve as an answer to that other question. Sep 10, 2018 at 0:45
  • @alephzero Not only that, "balm" and "bot" are different even in the parts of America without the cot-caught merger. I have no idea what Wikipedia is on about.
    – Spencer
    Dec 8, 2018 at 10:22

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Words like bot and bought originally had different vowel sounds, but for some North American speakers, these vowels are now merged to a single vowel phoneme. This merger is called the "cot-caught merger"; there is a previous question about it: Why are many TV personalities beginning to pronounce "daughter" as "dotter"?

For speakers with or without the merger, there are a variety of ways that these vowels can be realized phonetically. The vowel in bot (symbolized in the CMU pronunciation dictionary as AA) is most commonly transcribed in the International Phonetic Alphabet as [ɑ], but speakers with the "Northern Cities Vowel Shift" use a quality more like IPA [ä] instead. The vowel in bought (symbolized in the CMU pronunciation dictionary as AO) is most commonly transcribed in IPA as [ɔ], but some speakers use a quality closer to [ɒ], and the linked Wikipedia article says that speakers who pronounce bot with [ä] may pronounce bought with [ɑ].

The remarks in the previous paragraph apply to North American English specifically. Outside of North America, bot and bought are generally pronounced with two different back rounded vowels, the second distinguished from the first by a combination of greater length and greater closeness (a.k.a. greater vowel "height"). So a common convention for transcribing an "R.P." English accent is [ɒ] for bot and [ɔː] for bought; an alternative transcription that might better represent the usual modern values in England would be [ɔ] for bot and [oː] for bought.

You seem to be an American English speaker with the cot-caught merger. In that case, there isn't really a single vowel in your accent that is exactly equivalent to the "AO" phoneme, because as explained above, the AO phoneme has different phonetic values in different accents. The vowel that you use in words like orange and port might be similar, but that is not certain. The reason the CMU dictionary transcribes orange and port with "AO" is because some American English speakers with a distinction between the vowels in bot and bought find that their pronunciations of bought, orange, and port sound like they contain the same vowel phoneme. However, this isn't the case for all speakers of American English. Some speakers instead pronounce orange with the same vowel as bot or tar. Other speakers find that orange is best described as containing an allophone of the "long o" phoneme found in words like goat. (For example, tchrist, a fellow member of this site who distinguishes an /ɑ/ phoneme from an /ɔ/ phoneme, has stated that he finds the vowel in words like Tory seems to have neither of these two phonemes, but instead the third phoneme /o/).

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    I have never in my life heard anyone pronounce bought with [o]. Do you have a sample audio or video clip you can link to where this alleged boat-bought merger occurs?
    – tchrist
    Feb 2, 2020 at 19:51
  • @tchrist: There is no boat-bought merger. British English speakers may pronounce bought with a long monophthong [oː], which is is different from the diphthong [əʊ] found in boat, goat, etc.
    – herisson
    Feb 2, 2020 at 19:52
  • Show me. I don't believe this ever, ever happens. I believe either you misunderstand the [o] sound, or I do.
    – tchrist
    Feb 2, 2020 at 19:54
  • @Geoff Lindsey has a blog post with audio examples that I think I've mentioned before: "The same applies to o for NORTH, though it is of course long, oː. The SSB vowel is somewhat more open than cardinal 7, but closer to it than to 6. Here are Clegg and actress Emma Thompson [...] The contemporary NORTH vowel is very similar to the oː of German." (The British English vowel system)
    – herisson
    Feb 2, 2020 at 19:56
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    The [o] is a tense vowel not a lax one like you have in call, cloth, caught which all have lax [ɔ] and never tense [o]. Tense [o] occurs in English words like coda and coma and chorus, just as it does in Spanish coda, coma, coro. Last time I chased down your references about this I pointed out to you where they specifically admitted they were using it wrong. I don't care to do that again. Please do not use [o] to represent a lax sound because it is misleading at best.
    – tchrist
    Feb 2, 2020 at 20:09
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Ok after continuing to go through the CMU dictionary I found some examples that made sense to me:

"AO" is the sound in "orange" and "port" where you bring your tongue and mouth in tighter than when you make the "AA" sound.

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    For many speakers, calm and father have different vowels.
    – tchrist
    Sep 9, 2018 at 14:25
  • @tchrist Really? Although phonetically they may differ somewhat, every dictionary I consulted, British or American, had /kɑːm/ as the most common (if not the only) variant.
    – Nardog
    Sep 10, 2018 at 9:22
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    @Nardog In some Midwestern American dialects, including the one I’m speaking to you in, the word calm starts just like Call me a taxi does. It’s like the vowel in all, and the L matters. You can call that L-colored if you want, but it’s really much closer to the CLOTH or THOUGHT vowel.
    – tchrist
    Sep 10, 2018 at 12:08

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