There's this expression shown in Oxford:

have — going for one

Used to indicate how much someone has in their favour or to their advantage.

Why did she do it? She had so much going for her

In this expression, the pronoun coming after for always refers to the subject.

In the following 11 examples of the Oxford Dictionary, there's no example of a reflexive pronoun after for. Plus, the title of the expression has one instead of oneself.

So, I take it that you cannot have a reflexive pronoun come after for.

But then, there are numerous counterexamples of a reflexive pronoun coming after for in news articles and books:

...she was using blackorwhite thinking when she told herself that she had nothing going for herself... (book 1)

I'm not making any excuses for her but for a woman with so much going for herself Trevonne has low self esteem. (book 2)

One thing she had going for herself though was drive. (book 3)

Plus she had a lot going for herself. She was intelligent, funny, caring, ... (book 4)

Tonya makes it clear that skating was the only thing Harding had going for herself. (news article 1)

Even her attempt to have something going for herself outside the house, some kind of passion and hobby, got painted as tone deaf and self-indulgent... (news article 2)

So I wonder whether a reflexive pronoun in this expression is admissible.

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    Each of those samples could elicit an editorial comment. Overall, they are not well edited (the "news writing ones") or they reflect speech by characters in novels. That is not the best way to analyze or come to a conclusion about this....That's the problems with hits. They are only useful to say some thing is "out there".
    – Lambie
    Jan 30, 2018 at 22:39
  • There is a lot of variation with many such constructions: people aren't sure when to use reflexive pronouns. You can follow grammar books, or you can do what sounds right to you personally.
    – Stuart F
    Jan 19, 2022 at 8:55

4 Answers 4


Have (something) going for you is and idiomatic expression from the early ‘60

If you have something going for you, or if something has something going for it, there are certain advantages that will make the end result successful:

  • They've got a happy marriage, great careers, wonderful kids - in fact they've got everything going for them.

(Cambridge Dictionary)

Have (something) going for one:

to have a talent, skill, etc., that helps one

  • She's not as young as some of the other athletes, but experience helps, and she has that going for her. You should be more confident in yourself. You have a lot going for you!


Usage as evidenced by Google Books is most often correct with only a few instances of the use of the reflexive pronoun and all main dictionaries don’t use definitions or usage examples with reflexive pronouns.

I’d avoid using the reflexive pronoun even though the meaning is clear, so we could say that its usage is non standard.

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    Just so you know, it's not just "only a few instances of the use of the reflexive pronoun." There are plenty of instances in Google Books as well as Google News. And it's not really convincing to argue that simply not being listed in dictionaries makes a phrase non-standard.
    – JK2
    Jan 26, 2018 at 12:33
  • @JK2 - well, you can see from the Google chart that usage instance of reflexive pronouns is a small percentage compared to the more usual form. In any case it is an idiomatic expression, a set phrase. So what is your question? Grammar, usage, standard vs non-standard or what?
    – user 66974
    Jan 26, 2018 at 12:41
  • @JK2 - The usage of a reflexive pronoun after the preposition “for” is common usage, but it has nothing to do with the expression in question. books.google.com/ngrams/…
    – user 66974
    Jan 26, 2018 at 13:37
  • My inclination is to go with Ross. To me, all those examples feel wrong but that's not all there is to it. There might be dialects involved here. "What can I/we do for yourself today?" is a real example I hear not infrequently from call-centre people whose accents put them vaguely in the English Midlands. They never seem to go as far as "myself/ourselves" and they never fill out "you yourself" and I wouldn't swear to it but I think they do always add "just now" if not "today". Nothing to do with what they have going for them but apparently more idiom than mistake on the reflexive front… Jan 27, 2018 at 19:01
  • @RobbieGoodwin - well as I said they are non standard usages of the more established form of the idiomatic expression, whatever the reason may be.
    – user 66974
    Jan 27, 2018 at 20:02

While I certainly concur with the other answers on this subject, and the OP’s own feelings, that the use seems to be non-standard, I think what possibly is happening in the usage "have something going for oneself" is the the emphasis on one, from some aspect, by being the only recipient of the advantage, etc.:

As in the definition of oneself in ODO:

2 [emphatic] Used to emphasize that one does something individually or unaided.

‘the idea of publishing a book oneself’

Or in Macmillan:

2 used for emphasizing that you and not anyone else does something

It’s important to complete the application forms oneself.

If we consider this emphasis to be part of the usage, then all examples listed in the OP, as well as any other usage makes sense and the non-standardness is somewhat resolved.

This emphasis point seems to be supported also by the fact that many of the Google search hits point to celebrities or people who are somehow are considered outstanding and unique, just one example of the several:

As a solo artist this Toronto Reggae Singer has a lot going for herself. She writes, records, produces and is the Musical Ambassador for Read Across Jamaica Foundation

With all that said, lacking this intentional emphasis, I am neither able to find any definition or usage note that would justify using oneself instead of one, so in such uses it would be unquestionably non-standard.

  • I wonder if people are nervous about having the pronoun "one" on its own like that in a prominent position: it's not very widely used compared to other pronouns, it can sound pompous or old-fashioned (compared to the general "you"), and people will wonder about grammatical case. In contrast "oneself" takes the emphasis away from "one".
    – Stuart F
    Jan 19, 2022 at 8:58

While common usage of the phrase probably suffers from inconsistency and sloppiness (I can see myself [me?] using either without thinking about it), I suppose there could be a distinction depending on what it was that was doing the "going for".

If the advantage was coming from within, then the reflexive form of the pronoun seems more apt. If the advantage is coming from outside, then the accusative seems right.


  1. The only thing she had going for herself was her determination.
  2. The only thing she had going for her was her doting father.

Whereas popularity is not necessarily a mark of approval, if you enter the search-term going for her,going for herself,going for him,going for himself,going for them,going for themselves into Google Ngram Viewer, then the results are indicative of current use.

Likewise had going for* is quite clear.

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