[ Etymonline : ] >1560s, "to move and act unconsciously;" 1580s, "to be listless and apathetic," the sound of the word perhaps somehow suggestive of low feelings (compare Low German mopen "to sulk," Dutch moppen "to grumble, to grouse," Danish maabe, dialectal Swedish mopa "to mope"). [...]

How may 'mope' be an Ideophone, as the bold alleges?

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    The 'mo' is somewhat elongated when pronounced, which could represent the slow listless energy of the moper, also when pronounced naturally mope is low in pitch I would say, which could represent a low mood.
    – Gary
    Commented Nov 23, 2017 at 8:37
  • As a side note, Danish måbe, mentioned in the Etymonline article, has occasionally been used to mean ‘sulk’, but the normal meaning has always been ‘gape, gawk’. Commented May 11, 2018 at 14:43
  • The linked Wiki article is quite clear in stating that ideaphones are themselves uncommon and probably do not exist in English (reasons in the article.) As such you are (i) knowingly tempting comments in order to affirm that there are ideaphones in English and/or (ii) indulging in the fallacy of "begging the question."
    – Greybeard
    Commented Jan 25, 2023 at 12:13

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There are several English words beginning with "mo" that evoke sadness: mourn, moody, morose, moan. The author of the definition you quoted may associate the sound "mo" with sadness for that reason.

This is an example of clustering:

Words that share a sound sometimes have something in common. If we take, for example, words that have no prefix or suffix and group them according to meaning, some of them will fall into a number of categories. So we find that there is a group of words beginning with /b/ that are about barriers, bulges and bursting, and some other group of /b/ words that are about being banged, beaten, battered, bruised, blistered and bashed.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_symbolism#Clustering

I am not sure if this is an ideophone or not, but the definition you quoted does not use that word, it merely says that the sound of the word suggests low feelings.


Even the application of the word onomatopoeia is to an extent subjective. The words ideophone and ideophonic are not only subjective but so rare that even my internet spell check is protesting with a red underline! It is derived from the ancient Greek words eidos (ειδος), meaning form, idea or appearance, and phonē (φωνη), mean voice, and, this context, sound.

There is an interesting article on the ideophone in http://ideophone.org/three-misconceptions-about-ideophones/. The article attempts to show that ideophone is a broader term than onomatopoeia, embracing other sensory elements than just sound. This is etymologically surprising, since the former word links voice/sound (phoni - φωνή) with the idea represented, whereas the latter suggests what the word/noun (onoma- όνομα) makes.

But onomatopoeia is surely wider than single words. Take TS Eliot’s Rhapsody on a Windy Night, where we read/hear/feel:-

Regard the cat that flattens itself in the gutter, Sticks out it tongue and devours a morsel of rancid butter.

The couplet, well read, is as nauseating as the scene depicted. One or two of the words could be onomatopoeic: gutter (obviously, since connected with Latin guttur = throat); perhaps rancid, though I am less sure.

But there are a few gutturals or which are not far from the gate of nausea, the throat: regard, cat, sticks, tongue. The liquid l of flattens is not far from the throat either.

The point of all this lit. crit. is that it is not so much any individual word that makes onomatopoeia or ideophony in language, but the interaction of combinations of sound or the sensations of speech with meaning.

So we have the equally revolting lines of Coleridge’s Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner

The very deep did rot, oh, Christ that ever this should be! Yea slimy things did crawl with legs upon the slimy sea.

We need to be more cautious before categorising an individual word as an ideophone. There are obvious an familiar words, such as crash, plop, woof and rattle. Possibly squelch might be, but mope?

Fiona gives the best case for this, citing other words with similarly gloomy meanings. But then many other ‘mo’ words do not suggest gloom: mole, moat, morning, moon, moron and so on.

So sure, mope (in your words) “may be” part of an ideophonic passage (though I prefer the more familiar onomatopoeic). But I don’t think it is an ideophone per se. I am not sure it is helpful to classify words in that way.

The bare black cliffs clanged round them sharp smitten with the dint of armed heel.

So writes Tennyson in his Morte d’Arthur. This is a triumph of assonance. But only the word clang could be described as an ideophone.

  • Yes, clang is one of the KL- words. Black is part of the BL- words, and smitten of the SM- words Commented Oct 1, 2022 at 17:04
  • +1, but please tidy the first sentence. Commented Jan 25, 2023 at 14:57
  • @ Edwin Ashworth Tidying up duly done. Thank you.
    – Tuffy
    Commented Jan 25, 2023 at 16:36

No. An ideophone represents a sound, and the thing that makes it. Being listless and apathetic lacks any sound represented by the sound of the word mope.

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    ideophone is not a sound necessarily. Ideophone encompasses onomatopoeia, which is based on sound. I was confused about the difference so I asked a on Linguistics SE
    – Zebrafish
    Commented Apr 2, 2018 at 13:00
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    No, you're confusing ideophones with onomatopoeia. That refers only to sounds, like bow-wow, crack,, and oof. Ideophones are real sound-meaning correspondences with word parts, like the KL- words. Commented Oct 1, 2022 at 16:59

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