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I've heard this phrase used many times.

e.g.

-Got a completion date back on your new conservatory?

-Ha! Chance'd be a fine thing.

I think I have a general idea of what it must mean from its context. But I just don't see how it makes sense. What does it actually literally mean, and why?

It doesn't seem to make sense to me. What does "chance" have to do with anything?

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  • I'm obviously very late to this, but I did wonder if this phrase might be linked in some way to the Gaelic phrase "Cothrom na Finne", translated by John Francis Campbell to mean "the chance of the Finne" (perhaps luck of the Irish?), see Popular Tales of the West Highlands vol. 1.? – Rhona Jan 23 '17 at 15:26
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It means roughly: "it is unlikely that I should be lucky enough for this to happen, but if it did I would be great."

See Wiktionary.

--- UPDATE ---

As a follow up to why it means that, here is my speculation. It is a simple figure of speech that over time has formed into an idiom. In this case "chance" is used by metonymy to mean the results of chance. The literal meaning would be "If the unlikely event happens". Here an aspect of the event -- its low probability -- is used by metonymy for the event as a whole. If you remove the figure of speech the expression would be "[If] the unlikely event happens, [it] would be a fine thing." The "unlikely event happens" is replaced by metonymy with the word "chance", and we get the original.

After this substitution there are various elements and baggage that attach to the phrase over time to give it the current color of meaning, specifically the strong pessimistic tone, and various ellipses to make the saying pithy.

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  • I'm sure that's the right interpretation. I just don't see why the phrase means this. Why is the word "chance" used? – Urbycoz Sep 8 '11 at 14:49
  • Chance is analogous with probability ("there's a 40% chance of rain"). The expression literally means "any probability at all of that happening would be good" – Waggers Sep 8 '11 at 15:04
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    So it is essentially saying "Any chance at all would be a nice thing"? – Urbycoz Sep 8 '11 at 15:32
  • Yes, that's exactly what it means – Waggers Sep 9 '11 at 7:34
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It's a (primarily British) emphatic way of conveying the improbability/impossibility of something desirable happening (or being true).

In my experience, the fine thing component of the expression doesn't normally serve to inform the other person that the speaker would like [something] to happen, since that's usually obvious to both parties anyway. I understand it as...

It would be better [than it actually is] if there was even a possibility of [something], notwithstanding the improbability of that possibility actually coming to pass.

Usually the implication is that [something] won't happen because of the intransigent of some third party (person, organisation, prevalent attitude, set of rules) that the first two know of, and are aware is either actively hostile or indifferent to the speaker's desires.

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It's most analogous to the phrase, "If I should be so lucky." Or, more succinctly, "I wish."

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  • But why does it mean that? Where does "chance" come into it? – Urbycoz Sep 8 '11 at 14:43
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    @urbycoz: Chance, in this case, can be translated as "good fortune", or "luck." So he's saying, roughly, that it'd be a good thing for him to be lucky, regarding the previous statement, which is a very roundabout way of saying that things aren't going well. In some people (Irish, Australians) won't talk about how bad things are, so you get idioms like this. This is also why "chance" which is neutral in most english-speaking cultures, gains the positive connotation to good luck. – Satanicpuppy Sep 8 '11 at 14:49
  • Oh. I never looked at it this way. – Urbycoz Sep 8 '11 at 14:56
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Think of "chance" as a stand in for probability. And then add "low" if you like to make the meaning abundantly clear. "The low probability of winning the lottery makes it unlikely to happen, but I would be one happy camper if I did win it." Maybe it all started with the following exchange.

"Want to go in on a lottery ticket together? What do you recon our chances are?" "Chance would be a fine thing!" or, as suggested above the even more pithy "I wish!"

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I believe the idiom we have in American English that most closely captures the meaning (and which also uses the term "chance") is "Fat chance of that." This idiom sarcastically claims the chances of the event are high - or "fat", when they are probably negligible.

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How did chance come into it? From the closely related expression, Not a chance/No Chance.

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  • But why is the phrase not "A chance would be a fine thing"? – Urbycoz Sep 9 '11 at 7:23
  • I think you got the gist of it earlier- in effect its saying 'any chance would be good' – Autoresponder Sep 9 '11 at 7:56
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It means the same as "if only"; you really want it to happen but it is not likely to be imminent.

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  • Please punctuate your answer correctly. Also, it doesn't fully answer the question. – Urbycoz Sep 9 '11 at 7:26

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