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From this question, I was just wondering why plural nouns use the ending -s, while the exact same ending is used for the third person singular form of verbs.

How did we get into this weird situation? Why don't we use the same plural ending for both nouns and verbs?

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  • I'm wondering why your question is just a better worded duplicate of the other one?
    – JoseK
    Jul 13, 2011 at 9:19
  • @Jose, I edited the question to tease out the interesting part. Jul 13, 2011 at 14:15

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The English plural -s is the only survivor of a much more complicated Old English nominal declension system. As you can see from the tables on the linked Wikipedia article, the plural ending for the Nominative and Accusative of "strong masculine nouns" was -as, and as the Old English nominal system broke down, this ending was generalized to all nouns in all cases. By Middle English we only have the ending -es for all nouns, and in Modern English the -e- has disappeared (except in spelling in some cases), giving us the plural -s.

The verbal ending -s for the third-person singular in the present tense comes from someplace completely different. As late as Early Modern English (the King James Bible, Shakespeare, etc.) the 3sg ending was -eth, which in turn goes back to an Old English ending -eþ (though as above, the full Old English system was far more complex than anything in Middle English or Modern English). A sound changed turned the ending -eth into -es, and the vowel was lost by the same process that eliminated the vowel from -es in the plural.

Thus it's mostly a perverse coincidence that the ending for plural nouns is also used with singular verbs. The two endings have completely different origins, and now look alike because sound changes turned both of them into the same thing.

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  • There are actually three plural suffixes in Modern English, two spelt: /z/, /s/ (spelt either <s> or <es>) and /əz/ (always spelt <es>). The third plural is used for when a noun ends in a sibilant or some clusters so the schwa is pronounced in boxes, and witches for example. In Middle English it might have always been pronounced in the plural suffix in some dialects, as we have voicing agreement like leaf-->leaves which suggests that there was a vowel (as /f/-->[v] between vowels or before a voiced consonant).
    – Ghoti657
    Sep 4, 2017 at 12:20
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    @Ghoti657, I'd say that we only have one suffix with three allomorphs, conditioned by the phonological environment. Sep 5, 2017 at 9:06
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3rd person singular 's' does not derive as a phonological modification from Early Modern English or Middle English 'eth', but from Old Norse, the dialects spoken by Scandinavian invaders/settlers whose language merged with Old English in the Danelaw and produced major lexical, grammatical and phonological change.*

This merging process took place between 900 and 1200 AD, by which latter date the Danelaw and separate Anglo-Danish identity had long disappeared. The process took a dual form: in some areas all persons uniformly acquired final 's' to the root of the verb and, in others, the several OE endings simply disappeared, resulting in so-called zero endings.

Gradual modification and standardisation, from the 17th century onwards, produced the modern 3rd person singular of the simple present tense and zero endings for all other persons. The entire dual forms still exist for all persons in non-standard English ('was' and 'were' are also examples) with varying levels of 'prestige' i.e: social acceptability, but, like bad girls, they've gone everywhere. They are habitual speech forms wherever English is spoken by native speakers.

Sez you? I hear you cry. Well, I guess it don't matter where because you pays your money and you takes your choice.

*A phonological modification of final 's' to final 'r' occurred in Old to Middle Norse (eg: Old Icelandic) during this period, but did so in Scandinavia and Iceland and seems to have been independent of the ongoing linguistic situation in Britain. Some experts maintain that the 's' ending for all persons possibly originated in a supposed Scandinavian difficulty in pronouncing the 'th' endings of the OE verb paradigm. I consider this unlikely because ON had both voiced and voiceless 'th' endings, as did all other Germanic languages of the period.

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I have doubts about the English s plural having its origins in Old English as French, Spanish and Portuguese (but not Italian and Romanian) which derive from Vulgar Latin also have the s plural.

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    Hello, Berniec. Answers on ELU need authoritative support; without this, they appear as (and may be) mere opinions. Look at JSBձոգչ's answer; even this could do with more references. Apr 18, 2018 at 0:07
  • @EdwinAshworth it is veil, how selectively you apply criticizm. Western Romance has this 3PSg -s in indicative, though not in all forms (Fr. elle est "she is", which is equivalent to the state of affairs in proto-Germanic, cp. German sie ist). This' trivial fact. It's also no secret that English took a hit from Norman French a couple years ago. The "opinion" in this answer is saying that the top answer seems superficial, doing nothing to exclude the evidence. The top "answer" OTOH is showing no "authoritative support" either, and that's why this was posted. That's very welcoming as always.
    – vectory
    Oct 28, 2021 at 15:12
  • @vectory I just haven't time to address all the answers put on ELU which fail to respect the strong recommendations clearly spelled out in the Help Center. Do you do your fair share of trying to keep mediocrity from the site? Oct 28, 2021 at 16:31
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    I suppose it's believable that the spread of the s plural was supported by its use in Old French. Given the nearly complete lack of borrowing of any other grammatical features from Romance languages, it seems unlikely that they were the source of the s plural. Regarding the singular verb form, what you are saying makes no sense.
    – siride
    Oct 29, 2021 at 1:18
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The -s plural seems to have been around in Proto-Indoeuropean and to have been dropped subsequently in some languages. The image below is from a Wiktionary site about the grammar of PIE.

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    Images with text are awful sources because they can't be searched. Please transcribe all this into text. Also, can you. make it relevant to English (probably via a similar chart for Proto-Germanic)?
    – Mitch
    Oct 28, 2021 at 16:24
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    …further to @Mitch they discriminate against those with visual problems.
    – David
    Oct 28, 2021 at 22:43

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