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Regarding actions taken in the past, besides the differences those two tenses have semantically, my teacher shared that it could be a British vs American English case.

When talking about past action, British prefers present perfect because they take into account that the effect from their past action still happens until now. As for American, they prefer to state the action only. It happened in the past, so past tense it is.

I have had dinner. [British]

vs.

I had dinner. [American]

I hope to hear it from the native speakers, both British and American. What do you think about this? Is it true?

If it is, I don't think it can apply to all cases of past actions. There have to be cases when both style agree to use the same tenses. Could you please help me define the situation when this kind of difference applies and when doesn't?

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    You'll have had your tea? – TRiG Oct 30 '10 at 3:57
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    What makes you think it's not "affected by culture"? It's part of culture and changes with it, like most things we take for granted. – John Lawler Feb 11 '15 at 19:11
  • There are two issues: correct standard English versus informal English. But there is not a BE/AE issue here. – Lambie Jan 28 '16 at 17:08
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I think, in formal usage, you will find that American and British are basically identical. We each use both of those constructions in the appropriate situation. Obviously, there is a semantic difference between these two constructions and neither dialect exclusively uses one or the other.

I am not certain, but I think what you are referring to is the fact that American English speakers can sometimes use simple past in places where one normally uses present perfect. So, as a US English speaker, I would correctly say:

(1) I've never gone to a tennis match before, but I am going to one today.

But, sometimes I say:

(2) I never went to a tennis match before, but I am going to one today.

I would not say that this second example is standard US English — in any formal situation I would use the present perfect. But, I suspect it is common in speech and I do it quite often.

This could be the very beginning of a semantic shift in the present perfect construction in English. Perhaps (2) will be preferred in several hundred years. (Such things are not unheard of; German now uses the present perfect form to indicate simple past in speech.)

If a non-native speaker asked me about this, I would never recommend to use the construction in (2), because (1) is right in every situation and never sounds strange or formal.

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  • What about in formal situation like this (this is another example the teacher gave me): Have you sent the report (British) vs Did you send the report (US)? Is there any other situation that the difference applies? – Threl Sep 22 '10 at 1:10
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    If you said "have you sent the report" in the US, it would still sound perfect. The different US style is totally optional. (Of course, if the sentence were something like "did you send the report yesterday " then both British and American English would have to use simple past.) – Kosmonaut Sep 22 '10 at 1:38
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    I dunno, I'd most likely say "I've never been to a tennis match before, but I'm going to one today." – Marthaª Oct 28 '10 at 23:23
  • I think the problem with the (2) is that is basic. I mean if you were from the caves (no offense intended): I never went tennis, I go today. That's enough to understand the thought, but, the more contextual information the clearer the message. So i think (1) is more communication than (2). Maybe is a kind of mood? Sorry if I can't point it clearly. :) – Billeeb Dec 2 '10 at 13:03
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    In fact, Americans (at least) are notoriously incorrect in perceiving how they actually talk. Most American English speakers would pronounce I've had dinner (nobody would say "have had" separately unless they were pretending to be formal) with the /v/ of I've pretty lenis. Before the /h/ of had, it would probly be audible; but in many other situations -- especially before consonants, like I've gone/I've done/I've seen/I've been/I've wanted.., the /v/ is effectively gone. Except that the speaker thinks they said it, and American listeners will "hear" it". But others won't, necessarily. – John Lawler Feb 11 '15 at 19:07
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I think one aspect of this question is not being given enough emphasis: the difference between formal written English and informal colloquial English. I am a humble retired English teacher (UK!) who spent many years trying to encourage his pupils to feel that good English mattered - for several different reasons, not least of which is accuracy in the communication of thoughts. I quickly learnt that my young charges were "bilingual": they spoke one language amongst themselves and wrote another "correct" one for me!

I think this applies to people both sides of the Atlantic. The best journalists in the USA and Britain know perfectly well the difference between "I did" and "I have done" and regularly get it right along with other usages. Frasier and Niles know their grammar! In everyday speech people don't bother too much about such refinements - well, some of us still do...

But there is no excuse for Microsoft asking me "Did you forget your password?" "Have you forgotten?" and "Did you forget?" mean totally different things.

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  • THANK YOU. No one every seems to get this formal written v. informal thing. It drives me round the bend, it really does. The fact is that, to some extent, we all have two Englishes. – Lambie Nov 11 '18 at 0:36
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Isn't the main difference between Past and Present Perfect that the latter in most cases focusses on the present result of some past event/action rather than at the action itself? As a non-native teacher of English I find the logic behind very conclusive: If my car broke down, I could be talking about some past event, e.g. last year, if I said: My car has broken down -- I still have a problem, I can't drive it and I need help. If I submitted an application for a job opening, I might have been declined already. If I have submitted an application, it's still there and no decision reached yet, I'm still waiting for an answer. Of course, in many cases the context will settle these differences, but English as a language can do it very effectively with its grammar... Hope I'm not completely out of touch with current developements!

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The simple past tense is definitely more common here in the States. Though I still do hear the present perfect specifically in response to making decisions or responding to questions:

"Would you like some dinner?"

"No thanks, I've already had dinner."

or

"Since I have already had dinner, I can do this while you eat."

Adding "already" seems necessary, somehow, to keep it sounding conversational.

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  • People say all the time in the states: I've had a lot of problems recently with x. There is no other way to say certain things. or:He's seen a lot of action in combat. What people do, however, do is say: I already ate dinner, which is considered non-standard by grammarians. – Lambie Nov 11 '18 at 0:41
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The sentence "I had dinner" means that I had dinner, but the sentence "I have had dinner" is different; it means that I should have had dinner (the reality that wasn't existing in the past in memory, or a surely assumption of that I had a dinner).

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  • No, that's wrong. have had dinner just means that it's in the past, the time doesn't matter in the conversation. But it definitely does not mean: should have had dinner. – Lambie Nov 11 '18 at 0:42
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As as native of England I would categorically state that I had and and I have had have two separate meanings and to mix them or confuse them would be a mistake. I've noticed americans incorrectly say something like "I just said". This is completely wrong because it should be I have just just otherwise you're letting wondering when precisely.

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