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I am not sure about the use of present perfect in the subordinate clause. I want to say I've never understood Alice for as long as I've known her, so should I use the present perfect aspect in the subordinate clause or the past tense?

I have never understood a word that Alice has said.

or

I have never understood a word that Alice said.

To me, the first sentence sounds like I haven't understood what Alice has just said.

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    How about I can't understand a word she says. This keeps it in the present while encapsulating the past at the same time.
    – Tim Ward
    Feb 11, 2016 at 21:32

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I should say:

I have never understood a word of what Alice has said.

meaning I never understood any of the words.

otherwise John might say: I never understood a word that Alice has said. and Paul might reply: Oh? What word was that?

Alternatively, if I no longer speak to her

I never understood a word of what Alice said.

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    Why would you say that in preference to the OP's phrasing, and why does your second sentence imply that you no longer speak to Alice?
    – deadrat
    Feb 11, 2016 at 17:25
  • Unless I limit the use of 'never' with a word such as until it will include the present. Thus I currently don't understand anything she said. Following through to conclusion: in the present her speech is in the past, hence, I no longer speak to Alice. If I still speak to her, I would've said: "I never understand a word of what Alice says" or "I never understood a word of what Alice said until I walked a mile in her shoes"
    – Born2Smile
    Feb 12, 2016 at 1:01
  • Unless I limit Is this more than an idiosyncrasy of yours? And if so, do you have a source to support this claim? Because I don't think "Have never" includes the present. You could be standing next to Alice and say "I have never understood a word that Alice has said." Which would include her last remark but not necessarily her next.
    – deadrat
    Feb 12, 2016 at 3:01
  • Trolls will be trolls. You clearly agree with me: "..would include her last remark, but not necessarily her next". The only questions are whether you understand what I meant and whether you know time. Her next remark is in the future. I never said "have never" included the future.
    – Born2Smile
    Feb 12, 2016 at 5:07
  • I don't agree with you. In my example, Alice is standing right there, where you're still talking to her. You think I'm trolling? I'm done with you.
    – deadrat
    Feb 12, 2016 at 5:47
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1) I have never understood [unspecified past at this moment of speaking on the timeline] a word Alice has said [unspecified past at this moment of speaking on the timeline]: at this moment of speaking, on the timeline.

VERSUS: 2) I have never understood [unspecified past at this moment of speaking on the timeline] a word Alice said [simple present implies at a particular time].

in 2) at the time of speaking in the present, I have not understood what Alice said [at a specific moment in time]. She said something at some particular time (last week, in October, last year) and I still do not understand it today.

Both are correct, it all depends on what the speaker means: what Alice said [that time, yesterday etc.=a specific moment in time] versus in a past that it not specified at the time of speaking: Alice has said.

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  • Thank you. So, if I want to say that I've never understood her, the first is more on point?
    – lopez11
    Feb 11, 2016 at 16:32
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    If there's a semantic difference between the two phrasings, I can't see it. The present perfect covers past time up to the present. The simple past generally records a specific time, but the never means that for all specific times in the past, I have failed to understand Alice. So the lack of understanding covers the same points on the timeline of listening to Alice.
    – deadrat
    Feb 11, 2016 at 17:30
  • Let me give you another example then: I have never liked what he said [on some day]. I have never liked what he has said [in the past, not specified.] Same here.. The difference is not semantic; the verbs make the two sentences mean something different. I have never understood [in the present, and I am still thinking about it, what Alice said [one time in the past. VERSUS I have never understood [in the present and am still thinking about it] what Alice said [at the party]. And keep your minuses to yourselves until you understand verb tenses in English.
    – Lambie
    Feb 12, 2016 at 20:10
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I have never understood a word of what Alice has said. this will be the correct form of sentence.

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