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This is best illustrated with an example:

Nikkie has 7 children. Sam has no children. Sam thinks Nikkie's kids are cute, but she thinks it would be a lot of work to raise them all together.

Sam: "Your children are so cute, but I think 7 children (1) is or (2) are too many to raise together!"

First of all, I do understand that plural nouns require plural verbs, and yes, "child/children" is a countable noun; thus "Your children are so cute." However, as I think of the meaning of the phrase "7 children" more and more, doesn't it become a sort of measurement like dollars, miles, liters, etc?

Like we say, "1,000,000 dollars is a lot of money," should't we say "7 children is too many to raise together"? Or am I over-analyzing here?

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  • The fact that you wanted to use too many indicates you are thinking of 7 children as countable. Child is not a collective noun. The context is completely different from when you use a family with 7 children.
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    Commented Oct 10, 2015 at 10:58
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    I doubt that many people would object to the proximal pull of 'a lot' in 'Six to seven children is a lot'. The notional agreement of '1,000,000 dollars is a lot of money' is surely the only acceptable version nowadays, and I have no problem with using a rather more distant notional agreement for '7 children is too many to raise together' as short for the idea 'trying to raise 7 children together – that's too many'. I'd prefer it to plural agreement (you're addressing the situation rather than Ali, Ben, Charlotte, Denzil ...). Bacon and eggs is my favourite breakfast. Commented Oct 10, 2015 at 12:35
  • @EdwinAshworth Edwin if you repost your comment as an answer, I would totally pick it as my preferred answer! Thanks a lot! It really helped me! Commented Oct 10, 2015 at 13:45
  • I've a feeling this has been addressed before (perhaps not for this particular example). Hence my reluctance to post as an 'answer'. I haven't found any duplicates, though, so will do. Commented Oct 10, 2015 at 16:14

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There are three often conflicting 'rules' that operate when one is deciding what verb agreement to use in less obvious cases: the traditional simplistic 'obvious/surface' rule, often called disingenuously 'grammatical agreement' (as if the other two weren't); proximity agreement (more than one boy is here); and notional / logical agreement. There is ample scope for people to disagree on which one should prevail in individual cases.

I doubt that many people would object to the proximal pull of 'a lot' in

Six to seven children is a lot.

– though I'd say the underlying factor is the notion of a large (and demanding) family group. The notional agreement of '1,000,000 dollars is a lot of money' is surely the only acceptable version nowadays, even though dollars are of course etically countable; where it makes sense, discrete measures are often treated as if they were continuous (and thus as mass concepts). Confetti (though etically count) is treated as mass, and I have no problem with using similar notional agreement for

7 children is too many to raise together.

as short for the idea 'trying to raise 7 children together – that's too many'. In fact, I'd prefer it to plural agreement (you're addressing the situation, a 7-child family, rather than Ali, Ben, Charlotte, Denzil ...). I don't think that there are many anglophones who would object to

Bacon and eggs is my favourite breakfast.

(notionally, A meal of bacon and eggs is ...)

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