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This pair of adverbs of opposed meaning, one indicating the present and the other the past, when conjoined is used to attract attention to what is going to be said or suggested next, in other words nothing to do with the meanings of the individual words.

How does this work and why?

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  • It's probably worth realising that the natural insertion of an exclamation point reflects the typical usage of having given a long run-up or introduction and finally completed it somewhat triumphantly. This broader emotional context has apparently overridden the more grammatically correct colon that the specific sentence should contain. May 12, 2011 at 0:13
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    In Lincolnshire (UK East Midlands), Now then is simply a standard greeting. When used by speakers in other parts of the country, Now then means something along the lines of "Pay attention, because I'm about to say something". But Lincolnshire folk are pretty laid-back (they think mañana implies precipitous haste), so when they say Now then, it means "I may say something later today, but then again I may just stand here quietly for a while". May 12, 2011 at 0:56
  • Regarding 'now then' as a means of greeting someone, I grew up in North Yorkshire where it was used by nearly everyone as a friendly greeting. In pubs you'd hear it all the time — with it being so common it even got shortened to just 'now', followed by the name of the person who was being greeted. It is still very much in use by the locals, hound and old. I'm still searching for evidence of the phrase's origin, and can't seem to find any answers on here that give a solid explanation. Is there any literature that anyone knows of where the phrase is used, that may help in providing leads?
    – user42351
    Apr 12, 2013 at 19:30

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I think the fastest way to render the phrase intelligible is to punctuate it: "Now, then:", which I interpret as follows. It means, as you say, "We are moving to the next topic", which you could also say "Now we will proceed", so at least the presence of now makes sense. The then which you see as contradictory is actually not the version of "then" that means the opposite of "now", but rather, is therefore. It implies that what follows is a logical consequence of what was immediately preceding. The phrase now then seems to me to be used most often in some kind of monologue (a lecture or presentation) as a transition between motivation and application, as in:

Mike Lynd has suggested that the phrase is self-contradictory, but that is because of the existence of two unrelated meanings of the word "then". Now, then, I will explain how the other meaning makes more sense.

As you see (hopefully), the last sentence really only exists because the first one set it up. Then has functioned not as a temporal connector but a logical one.

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  • I think you may be placing undue emphasis on the literal meaning of the expression. As in - if someone in a pub said "What's your fucking problem?", they're probably not asking about your sex life. When the kids are acting up, Dad might admonish "Now then!". With no implication that he's going to carry on and say something else. May 18, 2011 at 17:27
  • @FumbleFingers: I have to say that I've never heard that kind of usage, but I don't have much to do with kids. It seems to me that the sentiment (from dad's side) is the same, though: he perceives an interruption or a break in what he'd like to be a smooth tale, and is trying to return to to the normal. Similar interjections are usually followed by "let's be reasonable" or "don't fight", indicating that he wants to dismiss the kids' motivations and replace them with ones that he approves.
    – Ryan Reich
    May 18, 2011 at 18:11
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    Well if you've never even heard that usage before, you're a bit out on a limb offering to explain exactly what it means! Which I would say is something akin to "Steady on!", or "Watch it!". Anyway, it's certainly not much to do with Dad wishing to introduce a new topic. May 18, 2011 at 18:23
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The word “then” often serves a non-temporal function and introduces a consequence, as in the familiar sequence if…then: “If Socrates were really mortal, then he is probably dead.” So it is in this case: “Now, then,” means, “Now, as a consequence…” and generally follows a prior statement which the speaker wishes to draw towards its conclusion.

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The easiest way to render the phrase intelligible is simply to accept that it's an idiomatic use with negligible semantic content.

Right, and Okay (also optionally followed by then) can be used in exactly the same way.

Arguably, so can just clearing your throat - except you can't follow that with then.

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My grandmother uses this phrase, and she has a very southern accent. I do enjoy hearing her say it, because it always follows a moment of clarity. For example, when I was young, and we would put together a jigsaw puzzle, she would use this phrase with a long southern drawl, after finding a piece that was extremely difficult. Thesaurus.com says it means "Intermittent."

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(I think the answer given by Ryan Reich is right on the money, but needs shoring up a bit, and so that is what I am attempting here.)

The short answer is that “Now then!” is a form of asserting / exercising artistic control.

The primal use of “now” is to announce that you are about to cross the (perceived) present moment in time.

The word “now” is therefore used, by extension, to introduce a new topic. A good example occurs in poem II of Housman’s “A Shropshire Lad”. Here are the first two stanzas:


Loveliest of trees, the cherry now Is hung with bloom along the bough, And stands about the woodland ride Wearing white for Eastertide.

Now, of my threescore years and ten, Twenty will not come again, And take from seventy springs a score, It only leaves me fifty more.


The “Now” at the beginning of the second stanza clearly serves merely to change the topic. Although the topic is, in fact, the current age of the speaker, that is merely a coincidence. One could just as easily change to some other line of thought:

Now, of all the pleasantries experienced by me, Near the top are those around this tree. And if I live to be as old as the hills, This scene will never dim its thrills.

Ok, pure doggerel, but I had to make the point.

Also note that the “new topic” introduced by “now” might be void. That is, the only thing of interest or relevance is the breaking off from the previous topic.

The word “then” is often used (as others have noted) to mean “therefore”, or “henceforth”, and that is how it is used here.

In the example of a father saying “Now then!” addressing the misbehavior of his children, the need is felt at the gut level to underscore the transition by allocating the transitional expression its own slice of time. By saying “Now” you signal that you have just crossed into a new moment of time, and by immediately following it with “then”, you are announcing that that moment is being closed off and we are going into a completely new moment, somewhat like using double-paned windows in regions where the winter is severe. Notice that a less emphatic way of announcing the transition (across just one moment) would be to say “Now, now.”

Because “now” and “then” differ only by which side of the perceived present moment of time they are referencing, and it is often immaterial which side it is (the material thing being only the acknowledgement of that present moment as a dividing point), they can sometimes be used interchangeably. For example, “now” is used to mean “henceforth” in the following passage from poem XIX (TO AN ATHELETE DYING YOUNG) of that same book by Housman:


Eyes the shady night has shut Cannot see the record cut, And silence sounds no worse than cheers After earth has stopped the ears:

Now you will not swell the rout Of lads that wore their honours out, Runners whom renown outran And the name died before the man.


Notice that the above “Now” could easily be replaced by “Then”.

Neither “now” nor “then” fully captures the sense of “henceforth”, but since “henceforth” is such a cumbersome / unpoetic word, one of either “now” or “then” is (with poetic license, of course) pressed into service to supply this meaning. The concept of “henceforth” is that of the set [x, ∞), where x is the present point in time. Bear in mind that the present point in time has the same semantic weight as the entirety of all the future points in time. (After all, today is the first day of the rest of your life.) The word “now” focuses on x, whereas “then” focuses on the set of points after x. Therefore, which of these two words you press into service to mean “henceforth” is really a toss-up.

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Where I live (in North Yorkshire) "now then" is used as a greeting amongst friends, aquaintances and anyone else with whom you are familiar. It's friendly without being over-the top. If I pass someone I know or vaguely recognise in the street, I'll likely nod my head and say "Now then." before continuing on my way. It's a regional thing.

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