I keep running into this debate with my thesis advisor. Are both of these forms correct?

It can be seen that both the users are able to...


It can be seen that the both users are able to...

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"The both users" is incorrect. The determiner both has already qualified users, so you know who is being referred to. (Refer also to this excellent answer on ELL.) Adding the onto that is similar to saying "the the users". People sometimes do this anyway, such as in the phrase "the both of them", but it's informal.

On the other hand, "both the users" is short for "both of the users". The of is just elided. I would think this is common enough to be acceptable. But if you're in doubt, either use "both of the users" or, as MikeVaughan suggests, "both users".


I think that the article the is extraneous.

It can be seen that both users are able to...

is just fine.


The first example is grammatically correct, the second example is not.

The first sentence in the "Article" wikipedia page says it better than I can: "An article (abbreviated art) is a word that combines with a noun to indicate the type of reference being made by the noun."

Articles Wiki

  • I don't disagree, but can you explain why "the" is combined with "both"? As a random example, in "the brown cow" the modifies cow, not brown, even though brown is the next word. May 9, 2011 at 20:17
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    Despite my best efforts, I cannot. Let me retract that last sentence until it can be better qualified. Thanks. May 10, 2011 at 12:23

Longman says

• You use both or both of before a determiner such as ‘the’, ‘these’, or ‘my’: Both (of) the women were tall.Both (of) her parents are dead. ✗ Don’t say: the both women | her both parents


You could also say "It can be seen that the two users are able to..." or "It can be seen that each user is able to..."

OT: The real reason that I answer is to object to the weasel-phrase "It can be seen that..."

Can you find a less officious, less self-protective intro? Like "Notice that each user..." or "We see that both users are able..."

Simpler and plainer is better.

  • Third-person passive voice is often the norm in the type of writing it sounds like the OP is doing. I don't much like it either, but it's also not part of the question. May 9, 2011 at 20:39

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