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Very infrequently, I'll use the fragment "if and as" in a sentence. For instance:

Having it be double fudge chocolate cake in both cases comes off as needless frippery if and as the recipe is valid in itself.

I think I'm using it to mean that the recipe itself can be considered valid by some ("if") and is considered so by me ("as"). But this could be either grammatically unsound or not meaning roughly what I want it to mean.

So is it grammatically sound?

Does it convey what I think conveys?

If so, does this fragment of three words have a formal name for what it's doing grammatically?

  • How is this better than/different from if and when? – Tim Lymington supports Monica Nov 21 '14 at 11:14
  • @TimLymington Better is subjective; but Different I answer - as and when are quite different words. 'When' is essentially temporal; 'As' is rather more diverse in possible meanings. "if and when" is just another way of saying "when this may happen"; whilst "if and as" is... well that's the question isn't it? – LateralFractal Nov 21 '14 at 11:20
  • I don't think I've ever heard that usage. I would not know what meaning was intended if I heard it. – Hot Licks Apr 20 '15 at 12:34
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Google NGrams shows that it is used, with an interesting peak around 1885, but these days it would seem unusual, and probably not be understood, outside of a legal document. (BrEng)

  • I do occasionally see it in legal documents; but with more emphasis on the "if" than the "as" due to the common framing words I've seen it in. – LateralFractal Nov 21 '14 at 7:31
  • @Mari-LouA, I'm trying to answer the question. I don't want to say outright "Is it gramatically sound? No. Does it convey what I think conveys? No" because in other variations of English it might be valid. – A E Nov 21 '14 at 8:24
  • @Mari-LouA, it's hard to see how matters of acceptable usage can ever be anything other than opinions. Anyway, edited. – A E Nov 21 '14 at 8:39

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