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To be possible/impossible can be followed by an infinitive verb only when the subject of the finite verb is the introductory "it". With any other subject the infinitive would be wrong, so I've learnt.

For instance, it is correct to say

  • "It is impossible to grow oranges here." or "It was impossible to hear the lecturer."

but not

  • "Oranges are impossible to grow here." or "The lecturer was impossible to be heard."

However, I've read (in newspapers) or heard (from native speakers) sentences that do not follow the rule, as for example:

  • "A result not possible to foresee."

  • "A question impossible to answer."

  • "A situation possible to arise."

Are these examples grammatical? Should they be, then either the rule has exceptions or there is no such rule. Should they be wrong, then are the three last sentences colloquialisms, or are they really wrong?

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    +1 Sorry, too late 'n too tired for me here in Blighty. Very good question. The answer is that that rule's wrong: Success is possible to achieve blah blah. However, the verb concerned makes a big difference to your last examples. To cut a long story short, the head noun in your Noun Phrases, in the last 4 e.g.s, are the objects of the verbs. [A result [which is] impossible [for someone] to foresee [the result]]<-- This requires that the verb is transitive, it must have an object which can become the subject of the Noun Phrase. Arise is intransitive, so wherever you saw that one, burn it! – Araucaria Oct 15 '14 at 23:57
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    It should be "the lecturer was impossible to hear", not "... to be heard". – Peter Shor Oct 16 '14 at 1:37
  • @PeterShor But why shouldn't it be the lecturer was impossible to be heard After all we have the lecturer was eager to be heard ...? – Araucaria Oct 16 '14 at 9:19
  • @Araucaria: Because "X was impossible to ...: requires X to be the object, not the subject, while "X was eager to ..." requires X to be the subject. See Wikipedia. Why does impossible (along with similar adjectives) need an object? The best answer I can give is because English works that way. – Peter Shor Oct 16 '14 at 9:53
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    The lecturer was possible to hear is borderline for me. – Peter Shor Oct 16 '14 at 10:05
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The Original Poster was given the following rule:

To be possible/impossible can be followed by an infinitive verb only when the subject of the finite verb is the introductory "it". With any other subject, the infinitive would be wrong.

However, these examples which are wrong according to the rule, are in fact perfectly grammatical:

  • Oranges are impossible to grow here.
  • The lecturer was impossible to hear.

So this clearly shows the rule is wrong.

However! Hang on one second! Part of the rule seems to be correct. The Original Poster's examples all used impossible and not possible. The following are indeed ungrammatical, or at least a bit wonky:

  • *Oranges are possible to grow here.
  • *The lecturer was possible to hear.

Now this is properly, bona fide crazy. Who designed this language? Shame on them whoever they are. We have one rule for possible and a different one for impossible. It is, of course, completely natural, and indeed commonsensical, and intelligent, to extrapolate that if there's a rule for possible, that impossible will work the same way. But it doesn't.

There are a couple of other unusual and interesting things hidden in the OP's post. First their example:

  • *The lecturer was impossible to be heard.

This is clearly wrong in the passive like this, but it's difficult to see why. The active version above is, of course fine. Secondly, it's not immediately clear why the first example here is wrong - although it is:

  • *a situation possible to arise
  • *a situation impossible to arise
  • a situation likely to arise.

Here we see that both possible and impossible seem to be problematic. On the other hand likely seem to be entirely acceptable.

Now if you want to know why possible and impossible behave so differently, the answer is: I don't know. I can however explain how they behave, which will get us half-way there.

Infinitives as clauses

We might think of infinitives as kind of free-standing verbs. Most of the time when we see them, they have no subject, and they often have no visible object either:

  • I want to travel.

However, these verbs always have some kind of unexpressed subject. The example above means:

  • I want myself to travel.

Note that if the subject of the infinitive is different from the subject of want, it must be overtly expressed:

  • I want them to travel.

The fact that we can omit subject of the infinitive here is a property of the verb want. If the subject position of the infinitive is not expressed, the subject of want controls its interpretation:

  • The hephalumps(i) want [ _____(i) to be rolled in marmalade].

So the subject of to be rolled in marmalade here is controlled here by the hephalumps, the subject of want. The hephalumps want the hephalumps to be rolled in marmalade. Because it behaves in this way want is known as a control verb.

Adjectives 1: Control

Adjectives work this way too. Adjectives often occur as complements of verbs. These adjectives often take infinitive clauses as their own complements. These clauses may also have positions that are controlled. Take the adjective keen:

  • The hephalumps are keen for the hippos to impress the giraffes.
  • The hephalumps(i) are keen ______(i) to impress the giraffes.

Here the adjective keen is the complement of the verb BE. In turn keen is taking an infinitival clause as complement. When the subject of the infinitive isn't expressed, it's identity is controlled by the subject of the verb - in the case the hephalumps. The second example above means:

  • The hephalumps are keen for the hephalumps to impress the giraffes.

Again this is a property of the adjective keen. Some other adjectives that have this pattern are anxious, delighted and eager. However, neither possible nor impossible pattern this way. For this reason the following are unacceptable and the grammar prevents accidents from being the subject of happen:

  • *Accidents are possible __ to happen.
  • *Accidents are impossible __ to happen.

Adjectives 2: Hollow clauses

  • The book was difficult ____ to read _____ .

With the adjective difficult, the subject of the infinitive is freely interpretable. We can extrapolate who was trying to read the book from the surrounding discourse. The subject of to read is not being stipulated by the subject of the main verb, the book. The book was not reading the book!

However, if you look carefully at the other side of read you'll realise that the book is being interpreted as the Object of read. The sentence means something like:

  • The book(i) was difficult for (someone) to read (it)(i).

In some grammars they stipulate that the object has been moved from that gap at the end there to the subject position of the main verb. Tough is one of the adjectives that behaves in this way, and for this reason this is often called tough-movement. In the CaGEL these clauses are known as hollow clauses, because they have that gap at the end.

One of the adjectives that takes hollow clauses is impossible. For this reason the OP's examples were correct:

  • Oranges are impossible to grow here.
  • The lecturer was impossible to hear.

These work like this:

  • Oranges(i) are impossible (for people) to grow (them)(i) here.
  • The lecturer(i) was impossible (for people) to hear (him)(i).

Possible

Possible does not occur in control constructions. It's also said that possible doesn't take hollow clauses. It cannot control the interpretation of the subject in an infinitival clause, and does not allow for the gap at the end of a hollow clause to be interpreted through a subject higher up in the sentence structure.

  • *A situation possible to arise.

The reason the example above fails is that the speaker wants to use possible in a control construction meaning something like this:

  • A situation(i) possible (for it)(i) to arise.

Unfortunately, this won't work. Similarly the problem with:

  • The lecturer was impossible to be heard.

..is that again, the speaker here is trying to use impossible like a control adjective, whereas as we have have seen, it actually takes hollow clauses. They expect the sentence to be heard like this:

  • The lecturer(i) was impossible (for him)(i) to be heard.

Because the adjective is impossible, the item lecturer here cannot be interpreted as the subject of to be heard. In fact lecturer cannot be processed properly as an actor in the infinitival clause at all, because there is no object position in the clause - it's passive!

  • The "rule" that was "given" applies to Extraposition, which inserts a dummy it and moves a heavy subject phrase to the end of the clause. The extraposed subject is often an infinitive, but it can be just about any kind of phrase or clause that can appear as a noun phrase subject. So the rule is doubly wrong in equating Tough-Movement and Equi with Extraposition, and with attributing this to the infinitive. Whoever formulated this rule was definitely Unclear On The Concept of infinitives. – John Lawler Oct 16 '14 at 16:30
  • @JohnLawler Isn't the "rule"as given to OP just saying don't use "possible" + infinitival clause as a PC of BE, unless it's in an extraposition. It doesn't directly equate equi or tough movement with extraposition - does it? It seems to be a usage rule, not a transformational one! Or do you feel my post is equating them somehow? I freely admit to being on the bounds of my comfort zone here ... – Araucaria Oct 16 '14 at 16:49
  • @JohnLawler or do you think my post makes it sound like t-m and equi only happen with infinitives? – Araucaria Oct 16 '14 at 16:54
  • TM and Raising do only happen with infinitives. Equi can apply with infinitives or gerunds. But none of them work with tensed complements. Pretty much every infinitive is the remains of a deceased clause, and they certainly hafta have subjects (often enough in a for-clause: They said for him to leave now), if they're expressed. But often they're deleted, either as indefinites (easy [for anybody] to do it) or by Equi from an NP in the matrix clause (He wants [] to leave now). One of the purposes of untensed constructions is to allow parts to be merged with the rest of the sentence. – John Lawler Oct 16 '14 at 17:19
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    It was a bit confusing with the terminology used, but you're right to push infinitive as clause. Any verb used as a verb will have a subject, but it may well be understood, like Imperative or Equi. If people can get to observe the clauses involved, a whole lot of grammar confusion goes away. The choice of which rule to apply (and therefore what happens) to an infinitive is generally controlled by the clause the infinitive modifies, and especially by the matrix verb if it's a complement infinitive. – John Lawler Oct 16 '14 at 17:38
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The "rule" is incorrect. Substituting a subject for it makes that clear:

  • The boy's-eye view has the wintry weight of rationality on its side: all this useless beauty is impossible to justify on cost-benefit grounds. Michael Pollan, The Botany of Desire
  • This nature of congressional pressure is impossible to ignore, and difficult to credit solely to individual legislators' preferences.
  • Yet the specific impact is impossible to ascertain or even assess in general terms without knowing which particular states will be acceding to the Union and when. - Between Actor and Presence: The European Union and the Future for the Transatlantic Relationship, edited by George Andrew MacLean

You can see that your examples are grammatical:

  • Oranges are impossible to grow here.
  • The lecturer was impossible to hear.
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    +1 Clear and easy to understand;) Btw Johns answer: Infinitives, like other verbs always have a subject: 'I want __ to leave'. The verb want dictates that that gap which is the subject of leave is controlled by the subject of want: subject of want = subject gap of infinitive. Adjectives work this way too. Adjectives often occur as complements of verbs. These adjectives often take infinitive clauses as their own complements. These clauses also have gaps in. Different adjectives dictate that different gaps are interpreted differently ... – Araucaria Oct 16 '14 at 7:31
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    ... So the adjective tough: [This puzzle is tough to complete ___] tough dictates that the Object of the infinitive = the subject of the main verb. (This puzzle is tough to complete it). The adjective eager on the other hand works like want: [John is eager ____ to please]. Eager, like want dictates that the Subject gap in the infinitive is controlled by the subject of the verb. The problem with possible is that it doesn't have any rules for controlling the interpretation of 'gaps'. Impossible does, it works like tough ... – Araucaria Oct 16 '14 at 7:42
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    So for your oranges example Oranges(i) are impossible to grow (them(i)) here. (that's it I'm finished!) – Araucaria Oct 16 '14 at 7:44
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    @Araucaria - it helps to wait until the whole answer is here. D'oh! Thank you for this (now very understandable) explanation. :-) – anongoodnurse Oct 16 '14 at 7:44
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    I've just realised that in fact the OP's rule is correct!! - but only for possible! Who designed this language, huh? – Araucaria Oct 16 '14 at 9:39
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Possible doesn't work the same way as impossible with respect to Tough-Movement.

That's the rule that's involved in

  • John is easy to please.

which comes from

  • For Indef to please John is easy.

Notice that John is the Object of please here. That's what's special about Tough-Movement. Most movement rules with infinitives move or delete the Subject, not the Object, e.g,

  • John is eager to please.

which comes from

  • John is eager (for John) to please Indef.

and doesn't involve Tough-Movement at all, but rather Equivalent Noun Phrase Deletion, or Equi.

Which one gets used is determined by the matrix predicate, easy vs eager in this case. Easy governs Tough-Movement, along with tough, hard, difficult, fun, and impossible.

  • Bill is easy/tough/hard/difficult/fun/impossible to teach.

But there are very few predicates that govern Tough-Movement, so it's called a "minor rule". Equi, however, is a major rule. Lots of predicates govern Equi with infinitive complements.

And here's where we discover that possible doesn't govern either rule.

  • *John is possible to please.
  • *Bill is possible to teach.
  • *This sauerkraut is possible to eat.

  • *John is possible to do it.

  • *Bill is possible to build it.
  • *This sauerkraut is possible to dissolve it.

And that's what's wrong with "a question possible to answer".
Possible is simply the wrong predicate to use.

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    I would upvote this if I understood it better. :( – anongoodnurse Oct 16 '14 at 2:34
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    There are two syntactic rules. Impossible governs one; possible governs neither. So there are sentences where they work differently. That's all. – John Lawler Oct 16 '14 at 2:35
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You've described a general usage pattern that if 'impossible' is followed by a verb infinitive, then subject of the sentence (or clause) is 'it', but there are exceptions:

"In reality Strindberg was at this time almost impossible to live with." (he Road to Damascus, by August Strindberg)

"My uncle walked about the room in a state of excitement almost impossible to describe." (A Journey to the Centre of the Earth by Jules Verne)

"Even more basic questions regarding pain are impossible to answer:..." (Cyclopedia of Philosophy, by Sam Vaknin)

"There are “certain” words and conversations unhappily impossible to eradicate in schools." (The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky)

"What followed was impossible to foresee." (The Road to Damascus, by August Strindberg)

So phrases '{Oranges are} {impossible to grow here}' and '{the lecturer is} {impossible to hear}' are probably acceptable in most contexts because they are not unclear.

But in general clarity would be lost by this construction because the 'impossibility' wouldn't clearly be describing the verb. Something can be 'impossible' meaning stubborn, obstinate, etc. So it needs to be clear what is intended.

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