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Is this sentence grammatically valid or not?

People who achieve they do this with perseverance.

One of the two answers to the earlier question Unnecessary pronouns: “The President he issued…” says clearly it's not "correct grammatically", as it is redundant. The other says it is grammatical, [but it's] missing a comma [before the pronoun].

The first of those two earlier answers has only a single upvote, and the second has none at all, so I don't know which to believe.

closed as off-topic by choster, RegDwigнt Dec 13 '13 at 22:17

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    What do you think is potentially right or wrong about the sentence? We can provide feedback on your reasoning or assumptions, but this is not a proofreading service. – choster Dec 13 '13 at 22:17
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    Have you seen the English Language Learners site yet? It might be a better place to ask some of your questions. However, whether you ask here or there, more detail helps immensely. – J.R. Dec 13 '13 at 22:20
  • Choster, RegDwight, if the post is off topic.. where you suggest me to post this? – user57406 Dec 13 '13 at 22:21
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    The sentence can be grammatical in spoken English with qualifications. E.g. 'He went on to say, "People who achieve, they do this with perseverance".' We make it clear that it's a quote of someone speaking, and there is a comma which shows that this person posited "People who achieve" as a topic, and then commented on the topic in a clause, referring to people as "they". This is similar to "The times they are a changin'". (Title of a song by Bob Dylan, native speaker of English). It is common in some dialects. "My wife, she's a good cook", etc. – Kaz Dec 13 '13 at 23:57
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    user57406 The snag is that this question has led to a reasonable part-answer by Susan Gerard, and a beautiful analysis by Kaz, with some real insight – but, if we are to judge by the poor grammar you use in your posts in this thread, you need to greatly develop your basic English skills before you'll be able to benefit from Kaz's answer. This is not the remit of this website – ELL is for people needing to correct grammar like 'This is english language & usage service. That's what I'm asking choster. What should I open my writing to proof here to get theft?'. – Edwin Ashworth Dec 14 '13 at 9:29
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No, it is not quite correct.

People who achieve they do this with perseverance.

This sentense is correct:

People who achieve do so through perseverance.

People (who achieve) is the subject, so you do not need the pronoun they.

They achieve through (that is, by doing something), not with (in this case.)

to do (the achieving) is to do so; this is a determiner. You don't need one here.

  • Thanks. If I want to use "they do" then any other way can make the sentence? – user57406 Dec 13 '13 at 22:17
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    In fact such sentences are used by native speakers of English. They seem to occur in some dialects more, and are not appropriate for formal writing. So it would appear that: "This answer, it is not as complete and authoritive as it is cracked up to be, you know?" – Kaz Dec 14 '13 at 0:03

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