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When I was a small boy, or as a famous song went (goes), when I was shorter than a Christmas tree, I fell in love with a little girl. (self-made)

The “as song went” seems to match the tense of the whole sentence. But the song might not be generated back when the story happened, it is adduced to by me now. So how to express my idea grammatically in terms of tense?

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It depends on whether the song is presently known or not.

When I was a small boy, I sang Happy Birthday, which goes ...

If the song in question is no longer well known, you could either use the past or present

When I was a small boy, there was a popular song which went ...

or

When I was a small boy, there was a popular song which goes ...

The past is appropriate because it is not sung presently, and you are referring to how it sounded in the past.

The present is appropriate because the lyrics and composition have not changed and the song can be sung in the same fashion today. In this version, there was refers to the then popularity. But which goes refers to its present content, which has not changed.

If the song was created recently, (not in the period being harkened back to) or it creation date is unknown, the present tense is appropriate. You are using a current analogy to describe a past event.

In the OP's example, When I was a small boy, or as a famous song went (goes), ... the verb goes seems more appropriate because, unless the famous song is no longer generally known, the song itself has nothing to do with the historic narrated events. It still goes this way.

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  • You have missed a sublety. * (T)here was a song which goes.. is probably wrong as mixing tenses; the quotation is When I was a small boy. or as the song goes, when... Commented Nov 21, 2013 at 13:10
  • @TimLymington I respectfully disagree. See my edits which attempt to clarify.
    – bib
    Commented Nov 21, 2013 at 13:29
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The “as song went” seems to match the tense of the whole sentence

Sentences don't have a tense, clauses do. Consider the sentence:

I renewed my passport yesterday, because I will be travelling next month.

Not only is it clearly in both the past and future tense, but it clearly has to be to convey its meaning, yet also the connection between the past-tense clause and the future-tense clause is clear.

Now, there are rules about how the tenses of different clauses should match in certain cases, but this needs to consider the relationship between those clauses.

In the case of your example, we can start by considering the first and last:

When I was a small boy I fell in love with a little girl.

Here the two parts do need to match tense*, because the first identifies the point in time as in the past, and the second as something that happened then.

Now, consider the third:

..., when I was shorter than a Christmas tree,...

This also has to match, because it is also identifying the point in time, repeating the first in a different way.

However, the second:

..., or as a famous song [goes/went],...

Does not have to match, because it is not referring to that point in time, or to action that took place then.

The song that went "when I was shorter than a Christmas tree", presumably still does. It's therefore technically correct to use either tense.

This parenthetical thought probably does belong to the time of the action, but the time of the reporting. That is to say, you didn't at the time think about the fact that you were so small, but are thinking it now. This would lean us towards the present tense form:

..., or as a famous song goes,...

Generally, it would be strange to talk about how a song went without a particular reason. We might if the song was once often sung, but now is not. We might if the words had changed:

The song "Happy Birthday" originally went "Good morning to you!/Good morning to you!"

We might if we the song was more directly relevant to the point in time:

It was only a week until Christmas, so we "decked the halls", as the song we were singing went.

We might if we focused on the song as an event.

There was a song that went...

But note:

He wrote a song that goes/went...

In the second the writing of the song is the event, not the song, so we're back to both being acceptable.

We might talk about how a song or poem went if it was lost, though that prevents us from knowing how it went to speak of it, though we can just about say:

Sappho's "The Ode to Anactoria", or "To a Woman" went, "...For when I see thee but a little, I have no utterance left, my tongue is broken down, and straightway a subtle fire has run under my skin, with my eyes I have no sight, my ears ring, sweat pours down, and a trembling seizes all my body; I am paler than grass, and seem in my madness little better than one dead. But I must dare all, since one so poor..." but alas we don't know how it continued.

But here, one might still use the present tense, after all we know how that bit goes.†

In all, you could use either. It would generally be more usual in this sort of case to use the present tense for what is a present-tense comment on a song that still goes that way, but you might use the past if you had a particular reason to tie the song's lyrics to the time you are talking about.

*Or at least they need to match in the time of the tense, there are other cases where we might use different types of past-tense for events around the same time, and so on.

†Or at least in this example, how H. T. Wharton's goes, we have the original, and mny other translations, but Wharton's is my favourite.

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