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In this sentence, which is correct, is or are?

We will not stop operating until a specified number of weak events [is/are] detected.

My feeling is that the verb should agree with number, not events, thus I'd use is. But there is disagreement here at work.

Also, what is the name of the phrase "of weak events" in this sentence? If I knew that to begin with I'd probably have been able to look up the answer.

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    Look up notional agreement, notional concord, or synesis. You can do so on this very site, we have lots of previous questions on the subject. See e.g. here. – RegDwigнt Aug 14 '13 at 21:19
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    You're not detecting the number, you're detecting the weak events. So it should be "are". If the sentence were "... until a specified number of weak events is reached", it would be "is", because the number is reached and not the weak events. – Peter Shor Aug 14 '13 at 23:10

Firstly, it is counter-productive to analyse 'of weak events' here in the same way as one would analyse say 'of weak events' in 'Properties of weak events'. The of belongs rather with a [specified] number of, and a number of is a compound (multi-word) quantifier. Contrast The numbers of locomotives over 50 years old are getting hard to read and need cleaning (eg locomotives number 11031, 11032, 11033...) (prepositional phrase) with The number of locomotives over 50 years old is very low (we've only six left now) (compound quantifier usage). See http://www.myenglishpages.com/site_php_files/grammar-lesson-quantifiers.php .

Secondly, as Reg suggests, the situation is complicated by what the meaning of the statement is (though 'a number' is singular, it is almost certainly referring to more than one event, and this is taken into consideration in 'logical concord' - see http://grammartips.homestead.com/number.html for a discussion of this particular quantifier. Different quantifiers are handled differently, and not always predictably.)

And thirdly,

We will not stop operating until a specified number of weak events have been detected.

is probably intended.

  • Anyone who understands the sentence in context understands that the reference is plural. I think one should avoid answering general reference questions as much as one should avoid asking them. (The question would have been scoffed at on a tech site; maybe, or maybe not.) – Kris Aug 15 '13 at 12:03
  • But Lewis said: 'Don't take any notice of teachers and textbooks in such matters. Nor of logic. It is good to say "more than one passenger was hurt," although "more than one" equals at least two and therefore logically the verb ought to be plural were not singular was!' Usage trumps common sense, and each quantifier needs to be examined separately. – Edwin Ashworth Aug 18 '13 at 7:32

"Of weak events" is a prepositional phrase. Of is the preposition and weak events is the object. As for your initial question, concord always applies to the relationship between the verb and the object in question. In this instance, number is, indeed, the object, so you should use is. The prepositional phrase merely modifies the object and should not be taken into consideration for this.

When in doubt, always ask which object is referenced by the verb. You will then have your answer.

  • When in doubt, always check in a decent reference work or two. You will then have your answer. – Edwin Ashworth Aug 14 '13 at 23:11
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    The "weak events" are detected. The "number" is not detected. So the thing that is referenced by the verb is "weak events", and thus you need to use "are". – Peter Shor Aug 14 '13 at 23:14

This issue demonstrates an inconsistency of the regular practice of English language.

  • There is a truck load waiting outside.
  • There is a truck load of stuffs waiting outside.
  • There are a truck load of people waiting outside.

IMO, is/are depends on the object of focus.

The focus is on people with the {truck load} used as adjective.

  • There are {many} people waiting outside
  • There are {a lot of} people waiting outside.
  • There are {a truck load of} people waiting outside.
  • There are {a ton of} people waiting outside.

The focus is on {truck load}:

  • There is a truck load outside.
  • There is a truck of load vegetables outside.
  • There is a truck of load cabbages outside.
  • There is a ton of people waiting outside.

IMO, both forms are valid. Simply a flexibility afforded by the ambiguity-prone English language to allow you to denominate the focus of your speech thro simple means rather than thro extreme and complex paradigms of other languages.

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