Timeline for Did King Charles III use the pronoun "myself" correctly?
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| Dec 28, 2022 at 13:26 | comment | added | Peter Shor | @WS2: I can't find any in the Bible, but in the works of Seneca, translated in 1614 by Thomas Lodge, we have "But that is the more truer and firmer caufe is that theayre hath a naturall force of mouing her felfe". I don't think a translator of Seneca would take the same kind of poetic license that Shakespeare did. | |
| Dec 28, 2022 at 12:53 | comment | added | WS2 | @PeterShor Were the double comparatives "fine in Shakespeare's time". I was genuinely unaware of that. If it were the case one would perhaps expect a lot to them in the AV Bible, which English is of the same vintage. Are you aware of any? | |
| Dec 28, 2022 at 11:33 | comment | added | Peter Shor | @WS2: I would classify the non-reflexive use of myself with split infinitives, prepositions at the ends of sentences, the singular they, the use of have got by Americans — i.e., as things that are perfectly fine in spoken English and have been used for centuries, but which English teachers mark off for. Double comparatives, on the other hand, were fine in Shakespeare's time, but are pretty much not used anymore. | |
| Dec 28, 2022 at 9:09 | comment | added | WS2 | @PeterShor Shakespeare often takes poetic licence with the English language, such as his famed double comparative in Othello - Act 1, Scene 3. To vouch this is no proof// Without more wider and more overt test// Than these thin habits and poor likelihoods// Of modern seeming do prefer against him. But talking about your "more better ideas" in an interview for an English teacher, would not help you get the job - I suggest. | |
| Dec 27, 2022 at 22:16 | comment | added | Robbie Goodwin | Sure OED has umpty examples, but of what, exactly? Are those merely citations of recorded usage, or examples of correct usage… or should we not mind? | |
| Dec 26, 2022 at 15:45 | comment | added | Peter Shor | @WS2: Since this usage is common in Shakespeare, and has never completely vanished since, calling it incorrect might be a little excessive. From Hamlet — When yond same star that's westward from the pole // Had made his course t' illume that part of heaven // Where now it burns, Marcellus and myself, // The bell then beating one- | |
| Dec 26, 2022 at 12:52 | comment | added | Toby Speight | @WS2, you may be right about school tests, but the untriggered reflexive seems to be gaining ground in popular usage, even through to moderately formal contexts such as the King's address to the nation. | |
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| Dec 25, 2022 at 23:54 | comment | added | WS2 | Those examples that the OED gives are surely just further examples of incorrect English grammar, which would be marked down if used in a school or public examination. | |
| Dec 25, 2022 at 21:46 | comment | added | GEdgar | At least he did not refer to himself as "my Majesty" ... there was a thread here about that recently. english.stackexchange.com/a/597897/9368 | |
| Dec 25, 2022 at 21:40 | history | answered | GEdgar | CC BY-SA 4.0 |