Timeline for Is “have went” gaining common currency in AmE and BrE?
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| Aug 11, 2018 at 23:09 | comment | added | user71740 | @Mari-LouA Please see this regarding Google Books Ngram Viewer results outside the 1800–2000 year range (in short, due to changes in corpus composition after the year 2000, it's not recommended to go beyond the usual range). | |
| Jun 28, 2018 at 15:19 | comment | added | Phil Sweet | There are differences in remoteness, resultiveness, and a lot of differences in phrasal/prepositional verbs - has gone forward , has went back (but has went ahead with). Somehow, the attachment to the prepositions is overwhelming the distinction between the proper inflections. | |
| Jun 28, 2018 at 15:18 | comment | added | Phil Sweet | In the Southern Appalachians, phrases with alternate terms often don't have the same meaning. You would have a hard time convincing folk went and gone are different forms of the same verb. In StdE, apparently, "I should have gone to college" means I should have attended college. Not so here, we say "should have went". Should have gone to college means you are attending college and you should have caught the bus this morning. (How do you say that in SdtE?) | |
| Jun 28, 2018 at 13:00 | history | edited | Mari-Lou A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 19, 2018 at 23:49 | comment | added | Lambie | @sailboat: Here are the results from "conversations" from AmE speakers from LDC: Your search for "have gone" returned 736 hits in 674 documents . AND Your search for "have went" returned 96 hits in 78 documents . || So, there it is. My argument is still: people have to learn have gone. Otherwise, kids until taught by parents or teachers and others will say have went. If a speaker marked as educated (has educated speech) says it, it is a sociolectal error as defined by the linguistic establishment of educated speakers (profs etc.) , and not me. No judgment, just fact. | |
| Jun 19, 2018 at 23:08 | history | edited | Mari-Lou A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 19, 2018 at 21:45 | history | edited | Mari-Lou A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 15, 2018 at 21:13 | comment | added | user 66974 | @snailboat- your interesting comment might be the basis for an helpful answer. Anyway thanks for the link. | |
| Jun 14, 2018 at 23:17 | comment | added | user28567 | This is called participle leveling, and it's not restricted to the Southern United States; I heard it frequently growing up in Illinois, and it's attested in BrE and AusE as well. I suggest signing up for the LDC online and searching "English conversations" (Switchboard and Fisher) for "have went". The participants are marked by region, and they're from all over the U.S. Anyway, as you point out this is non-standard, and although it's natural English, most speakers who have this variation eventually learn not to use it when Standard English is expected. | |
| Jun 14, 2018 at 15:49 | history | edited | Mari-Lou A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 13, 2018 at 19:22 | comment | added | Lambie | I removed my comments but will say this. Abagnale is a con man. And his misuse of the have+ simple past is a dead give-away. As a con man he had to "ape" the lingo of lawyers, doctors, etc. But that usage brings him down in my ears. He has no education other than what he learned through his cons. He is also a fast talker and I was able to hear it. In fact, from his bio, he only went to primary school... | |
| Jun 13, 2018 at 15:41 | history | edited | Mari-Lou A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 13, 2018 at 8:37 | comment | added | Mari-Lou A | @user110518 I'm not so sure that native speakers are denying this form of speech is common, it's whether it's on the increase that is difficult, if not impossible, to prove without doing extensive research. | |
| Jun 13, 2018 at 8:31 | history | edited | Mari-Lou A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 13, 2018 at 8:29 | comment | added | user 66974 | Thanks for adding evidence of usage examples in spoken language. Though it is clearly a grammar mistake, usage appears to be more common than native speakers like to admit. After all, usage is the hard rule in the English language. | |
| Jun 13, 2018 at 8:28 | history | edited | Mari-Lou A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 13, 2018 at 8:20 | history | answered | Mari-Lou A | CC BY-SA 4.0 |