Timeline for When does one append "-ly"?
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| Aug 14, 2014 at 16:38 | history | edited | tchrist♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Please never use backticked ugly blue monospace text on ELU. The use–mention distinction should be indicated by setting mentions in an italic face.
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| Aug 9, 2014 at 22:34 | comment | added | SrJoven | Ima gonna comment ya real good now, y'hear? | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 22:31 | comment | added | Edwin Ashworth | @Peter I'd not hesitate to use real as a secondary- (especially an adjective-) modifier. If I were in certain States. | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 21:47 | comment | added | Peter Shor | @Edwin: I wasn't trying to say they didn't. What I was trying to say was that real is a perfectly acceptable English adjective-modifier which is semantically different from really. If you want evidence to back this statement up, consider this Ngram. | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 21:39 | comment | added | Edwin Ashworth | @Peter Shor I'm convinced that adjective-modifiers and adverb-modifiers need their own classes. Many have semantic meanings beyond emphasising (suspiciously quiet / deceptively spacious / boringly predictable ...) as well as being formally disparate (quite / pretty / rather / almost / very / a bit / sort of / keenly / barking / stone cold / drop-dead / downright ...). | |
| S Aug 9, 2014 at 17:12 | history | suggested | Sagar Jain | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 9, 2014 at 16:27 | comment | added | tchrist♦ | @SrJoven What does your ear tell you? | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 16:27 | comment | added | SrJoven | So, what's the rule that is the same between A fast boy runs quick, quicker, quickest? or is it A fast boy runs quickly? Same rule? Either works? | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 16:22 | comment | added | tchrist♦ | These are not “exceptions to the rule”. They are part of the selfsame rule. To derive adjectives of manner, one applies the same rule which one applies in deriving adverbs of manner. The look of a king is a kingly look. A regal presentation is one presented regally. It is all the same rule. These are not exceptions: they are a unified garment all of one cloth woven. | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 16:19 | comment | added | tchrist♦ | The question is poorly worded, and does not get to the root of the matter. There is no difference in the morphology rules — whether inflectional or derivational — as applied to adjectives or to adverbs. The rules are the same. A fast boy runs fast, but a faster boy runs faster, while the fastest boy runs fastest of all. A deep well drills deep into the earth, but a deeper well drills deeper, and the deepest well drills deepest of all of them. | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 16:19 | history | edited | SrJoven | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 9, 2014 at 16:17 | comment | added | SrJoven | :) Fair, but do the comments apply to the question? How would one take the examples above and apply to an answer or the question? I said "Generally", but in more obvious terms, English is too diverse to provide simplistic all-encompassing answers. | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 15:57 | comment | added | tchrist♦ | At the risk of sounding like I’m a prickly and surly guy, I can but observe that you don’t have to be a homely sort to recognize that this ugly answer is too niggardly for its own good and too wobbly for good sense. In fact, it’s more than a bit silly, verging on unseemly even. A more mannerly answer from one of our kindlier members, not to mention a more likely and doubtless more manly one, would encompass all these illustrations as well as many others, while a princely answer from a wily member would demonstrate that the same root cause is at place in all these wordy yet worldly examples. | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 15:57 | comment | added | Peter Shor | The British use bloody wrong; people in Boston say it's wicked cold; Americans call things crazy hard. These are all intensifiers; they mean very. And even though they modify adjectives, they are adjectival in form. If you say bloodily wrong in England, wickedly cold in New England, or crazily hard in the U.S., you sound stupid. In informal speech, the word real, as in real good, is another intensifier. Note that people don't say real true; they say really true, because in this context it's not an intensifier. | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 15:38 | comment | added | SrJoven | Example please? (or is just the example?) | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 15:36 | comment | added | Peter Shor | Good answer. But about your link to real good versus really good; most of the hits are websites denouncing the use of real as an intensifier. These people are misguided. Anybody who thinks only adverbs can be used as intensifiers for adjectives in English is just bloodily wrong. | |
| Aug 9, 2014 at 15:29 | history | answered | SrJoven | CC BY-SA 3.0 |