Timeline for Palatalization of the initial "s" in words starting with "str-"
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| Jan 13, 2017 at 2:50 | history | edited | herisson | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
both listed words start with "str-"
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| Aug 16, 2015 at 1:25 | history | protected | Mitch | ||
| Aug 15, 2015 at 21:45 | answer | added | Wille | timeline score: 0 | |
| Aug 3, 2015 at 13:07 | answer | added | Jeff Adams | timeline score: -1 | |
| Jul 19, 2015 at 2:27 | comment | added | Hellion | possible duplicate of Pronunciation of voiceless alveolar fricative /s/ as ʃ (/sh/) in slang? | |
| Jul 14, 2015 at 2:07 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Jul 14, 2015 at 1:47 | comment | added | herisson | possible duplicate of Why is "str" sometimes pronounced as "shtr"? | |
| May 2, 2013 at 13:44 | vote | accept | Googlebot | ||
| Apr 20, 2013 at 15:08 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackEnglish/status/325627055020589057 | ||
| Apr 20, 2013 at 14:29 | comment | added | Peter Shor | @tchrist, I believe that if you pronounce tree as chree, there is also a tendency to pronounce street as shchreet. And in fact, on forvo.com, you can hear "Wall Street Journal" pronounced this way (third speaker). Once you change 't' to 'ch', there's a natural tendency to change 's' to 'sh'. I'd be surprised if anybody said shtreet without palatalizing the 't', but I think shchreet is reasonably common. | |
| Apr 20, 2013 at 12:58 | comment | added | tchrist♦ | I think Peter Shor is right, and that you are just hearing the t in -tr- combos being pronounced /tʃ/. For example, tree is often pronounced as if it were spelled chree. This is as normal, and common, as the palatalization that occurs when people say did you quickly enough for it to come out as didja: it is just something your mouth does. | |
| Apr 20, 2013 at 12:52 | history | edited | RegDwigнt | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 20, 2013 at 12:52 | comment | added | jub0bs |
Does pronouncing s as [ʃ] in the middle of words fall within the scope of your question? I've just remembered this instance by an American; note that he pronounces administration as adminishtration...
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| Apr 20, 2013 at 12:46 | history | edited | RegDwigнt |
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| Apr 20, 2013 at 12:25 | comment | added | user11752 | I've lived all my life in England and I can't recall anyone English saying "Shchoodent" (unless drunk). "S-choodent" , sometimes (with t turning into a ch but the S pronounced separately), "ss-tyoo-dent" sometimes - eg: youtube.com/watch?v=gV-kY9JuqDE . "Choozday" is probably more frequent than "T-yoozday" - in both cases, it's the plosive that has been affected, not the sibilant. | |
| Apr 20, 2013 at 11:59 | answer | added | B. Szonye | timeline score: 6 | |
| Apr 20, 2013 at 11:40 | comment | added | David | Also, the s in student is pronounced like sh by most English people (shchoodent, /ʃtʃʉːdənʔ/). | |
| Apr 20, 2013 at 11:36 | answer | added | RoDaSm | timeline score: 6 | |
| Apr 20, 2013 at 11:14 | comment | added | Googlebot |
@Jubobs what made me ask this question is to hear it from Britons and Americans from time to time. Not regularly, but not rarely too. Of course, I was not on the position to exactly identify the origin of the speaker, but they were native. Maybe that many that you referred to is spreading a kind of fashion?!?
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| Apr 20, 2013 at 10:56 | comment | added | jub0bs | In my experience, many Hiberno-English speakers use that to soften the intensity of a statement and introduce some humour into it. Examples: big shtyle; the hill is fair shteep!". I haven't heard it outside Ireland. | |
| Apr 20, 2013 at 10:41 | history | asked | Googlebot | CC BY-SA 3.0 |