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I have just come across a phrase I have never seen before:

I do not so in order to undermine the status of xy but, on the contrary, in order the more securely to identify certain aspects.

A quick internet research has shown me that the phrase apparently really exists and me and from the respectice contexts I guess it must be equivalent to in order to [identify] more [securely].

Is this right? Is this phrase commonly used or rather strange?

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The sentence is fine as it is. Takes some careful re-reading. –  Kris Oct 21 '12 at 6:52
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@Kris- It's not parsing for me. I think the to needs to stay with order: "in order to the more securely identify." And even then it's a bit unwieldy. I think I'd drop the the and make it: on the contrary, in order to more securely identify... –  Jim Oct 21 '12 at 7:02
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I think the _ in order the more securely_ phrase is stilted and pretentious in the 21st century. I agree with Jim's preference: in order to more securely identify. It's clear and easy to understand and not in a lower register. –  user21497 Oct 21 '12 at 7:21
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The writer is avoiding splitting "to identify" and putting the adverb before it in high-register fashion, "more securely to identify". He's then adding "in order to" and getting confused. The word the is superfluous. I would use "in order to identify certain aspects more securely". –  Andrew Leach Oct 21 '12 at 8:21
    
@AndrewLeach I think you meant to write "the more securely to identify"? –  StoneyB Oct 21 '12 at 12:47
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closed as too localized by Kris, jwpat7, MετάEd, tchrist, kiamlaluno Oct 22 '12 at 21:46

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The entire sentence needs rewriting. I suggest:

I do not do so to undermine the status of xy but, on the contrary, to identify more securely certain aspects.

In other words, in order adds an unnecessary complication, and a second do is required at the start of the sentence.

In order the more securely to . . . is not ungrammatical, but it rather looks as if the writer is desperately trying to avoid placing anything between the particle to and the infinitive identify. If you must have in order, then Jim’s suggestions offer a solution.

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Yes. In order to avoid splitting the infinitive, the author is splitting the conjunctive phrase "in order to", which is even less acceptable. The natural word-order is Andrew Leach's (not yet up when you posted), moving "more securely" to the end. –  StoneyB Oct 21 '12 at 12:45
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