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When defining a date, should I use on, upon or when, or can I leave these words out?

For example, can I say:

The date the company allots the securities is known as the Despatch Date.

or should I say:

The date on which/upon which/when the company allots the securities is known as the Despatch Date.

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According to 1913 Webster's upon is interchangeable with on, however if you look at ngrams

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you will find that upon is used less and less as there is, I believe, a slight archaic and/or formal tone to it.

All your sentences seem correct to me, but I would choose shorter and simpler constructs (using only when or without conjunction).

Here is ngrams graph that compares upon which and on which

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+1: Shorter and simpler construct .. When. –  user8568 May 26 '11 at 11:02

I'd probably go with a slight rewording of your sentence:

The company allots the securities on the Despatch Date.

If there is an established convention in the context (document containing this sentence) for the definition of a term, then I'd use that, whether it is quotes, bold or italic. The only objection I can see to this is the slight possibility that the despatch date somehow exists independently of being the date when the company allots the securities, in which case, maybe:

The day the company allots the securites is known as the Despatch Date.

You could even arrange things more:

The Despatch Date is the day when the company allots the securities.

I'm not sure you can leave out 'the day' or something similar without leaving the ambiguity again.

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Either of your formulations is fine (with any of the options in the second one) - they are both correct grammatically, and they have the same meaning. I think the second is perhaps a little easier to read, using any of the options within it.

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My immediate thought was to leave them out, but if I do a rewrite, I would like one of them

  • The so-called "Despatch Date" is the date the company allots the securities

  • The so-called "Despatch Date" is the date upon which the company allots the securities

I prefer the second version. Please note that "so-called" is sometimes used to cast a doubt on the word after: "The so-called "expert" mr. XX"

How about

The company allots the securities on what is known as "Despatch Date"

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Why have you added "so-called" to the sentence? That completely changes its meaning. –  Marcin May 26 '11 at 16:17
    
In what way change the meaning??? It means exactly the same as "is known as" = Commonly called –  mplungjan May 26 '11 at 18:19
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No, 'so-called' explicitly casts doubt on the truth of it. Maybe you want 'defined' or 'term of art'. –  TimLymington May 26 '11 at 20:21
    
That is a POSSIBLE other definition. There is also the "as know as" definition. I do not see why it cannot be used here and I for sure do not see a reason to downvote. But see update –  mplungjan May 27 '11 at 15:23

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