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Is curiouser, in fact, a word?

                                (Yes, this question is very short, but that’s really all I need to ask.)

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In Standard English, this is not a properly formed word; the standard form is "more curious".

As a general principle, the comparative -er suffix attaches to monosyllabic words, and more is preferred with polysyllabic words, so even though a word like curiouser is readily understood, it has an odd quality to it — this is the reason.

According to the OED, the word curiouser was coined by Lewis Carroll in Alice in Wonderland in 1865, as the phrase "curiouser and curiouser". In fact, the OED cites this phrase only, and does not treat curiouser as a word unto itself; the phrase has the meaning "increasingly strange". With this in mind, you might be able to justify the use of the entire phrase in a formal context (depending on your audience).


Addendum: Let me just state (for the record) that if you are wondering if this would be considered a word in the pure linguistic sense (rather than in Standard English), then I think that most linguists would say yes; it probably has been around long enough and is well-established enough to be considered a word.

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@GnomeSlice: Probably not justifiable if the reader is pedantic. But really, it depends on your audience. The example you just gave does recall the original phrase, but as it is not the original phrase, might have a higher chance of being frowned upon if your audience is picky or highly formal. –  Kosmonaut Feb 11 '11 at 2:42
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This comes perilously close to prescriptivism. I think using a word figuratively, coining a usage or using an exotic usage, is fair game. If Charles Lutwidge Dodgson can do it, why can't @GnomeSlice? –  Robusto Feb 11 '11 at 2:43
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@Robusto: It's not prescriptivism to tell someone the facts about how a word or phrase may or may not be perceived, and allow them to make their own judgment about their audience. If GnomeSlice told me he was writing a fiction novel, then I'd tell him absolutely to use the word. If he told me he was writing an academic paper, I'd advise him to avoid it. –  Kosmonaut Feb 11 '11 at 2:47
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I put it in a question on Superuser.com, and someone edited it out. It just made me wonder if it wasn't really a word. –  ElfSlice Feb 11 '11 at 3:04
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@GnomeSlice: whoever edited it out has had either a humourectomy or an overzealous English teacher at some point. –  PLL Feb 11 '11 at 6:11

Not quite, apart from in the specific phrase “curiouser and curiouser”, taken from Alice in Wonderland. Lewis Carroll was playing with language there.

The -er ending is almost never used with words of more than two syllables: so eg more beautiful, more curious, not usually ?beautifuller, ?curiouser.

Edit: the OED agrees — it doesn’t list curiouser as a word or a form of curious, but does list curiouser and curiouser as a phrase.

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I know it's almost never used, so that's why I took the time to ask. Thanks for the answer. It's a shame really, I rather liked the word. :( –  ElfSlice Feb 11 '11 at 2:31
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@GnomeSlice: then use it! :-P There are no language police who will arrest you. As long as your meaning is clear, and you’re confident enough to convince other people that you’re doing it playfully rather than making a mistake, you can use any words you want. The dictionary of tomorrow is written by the imaginative speakers of today… –  PLL Feb 11 '11 at 2:38
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That's my point. You can play with language and get away with it. Since when does language have to be hidebound and dour? –  Robusto Feb 11 '11 at 2:42
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@GnomeSlice: Be glad you aren't a French speaker — they do have language police! –  Kosmonaut Feb 11 '11 at 2:45
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@Robusto: yes, I agree with that point. But there’s a fair spectrum between “nowhere near being a word” (*zorgblax), “could easily become a word, but isn’t one yet” (?Robustoism), and “yep, it’s a word!” (yesteryear). Curiouser is very close to the finish line… but at least arguably, it’s not quite there yet. I guess widespread usage independent of a specific phrase is probably the main criterion I’m going on here, with dictionary inclusion being an authoritative measure of that. Maybe not quite or not yet would have been a better way to begin my answer :-) –  PLL Feb 11 '11 at 2:52

It is because Lewis Caroll says it is:

“Curiouser and curiouser!” Cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English). “Now I’m opening out like the largest telescope that ever was! Good-bye, feet!” (for when she looked down at her feet they seemed to be almost out of sight, they were getting so far off). “Oh, my poor little feet, I wonder who will put on your shoes and stockings for you now, dears? I’m sure I shan’t be able! I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself about you: you must manage the best way you can—but I must be kind to them,” thought Alice, “or perhaps they won’t walk the way I want to go! Let me see. I’ll give them a new pair of boots every Christmas.”

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@GnomeSlice: “technically” is an exceedingly slippery concept in English, since we have no equivalent of eg the Académie Française claiming to define what’s officially correct. Dictionaries describe what the language is, they don’t define it — whether something is a word or not depends on how widely used and understood it is, so is a quantitative and often highly debatable question. –  PLL Feb 11 '11 at 3:04
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note that although alice uses the word she is also described as not using good english. –  jk. Feb 11 '11 at 10:58
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"When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean, neither more not less!" - Humpty Dumpty, in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland". –  Colin Fine Feb 11 '11 at 13:13
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@Colin Fine: Mr. Dumpty actually appeared in Through the Looking-Glass. –  mmyers Feb 11 '11 at 18:23
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It is a word. Not because Lewis Caroll said it is, obviously, since immediately after having Alice use the word, he points out that she had quite forgot how to speak good English. It becomes a word when people use it without reference to that "original". Which I'm sure has happened many times, but I'll just quote New Scientist 25 June 2011, page 4, where the first paragraph starts It's no surprise [blah blah]. What is curiouser [blah blah blah]. The writer probably knew of the "original", but there's no allusion to it in the text, nor will all readers know of it. It's a word. –  FumbleFingers Aug 25 '11 at 13:07

Today's description is tomorrow's prescription. Italian is really really poor Latin (which of course is really really poor something-that-came-before-it), and at the same time each has its rulebook.

'Curiouser' was malformed at the time Lewis Carroll coined it, and that's part of the linguistic humor of it. 'Chortle' was also one of his neologisms and nowadys I think it is accepted as a 'real word.

As to 'curiouser' I think currently it still sounds strange (because of the (non-prescriptive) inherent English rule that in general multisyllabic adjectives get their comparative via 'more X' rather than 'Xer'. But if you repeat it enough (and others repeat it enough), it may become more standard.

So in SE standards/culture, using 'curiouser' might be coonsidered a bit too ... informal.

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I'm certainly not the smartest person on this board from what I've read so far, but 'Curiouser' sounds like it would fall quite nicely under the definition of NEOLOGISM, (i.e., a term, word, or phrase that may be in the process of entering common use but that has not yet been accepted into mainstream language...and is often directly attributable to a specific person, publication, period or event). But it could also be a SEMANTIC EXTENSION, which is basically an already existing word with a new twist. But really it comes down to IDIOLECT, your own personal dialect and vocabulary which you choose to use.

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It is neither a neologism nor semantic extension, no. If anything, it's a somewhat unusual form of analogy (which is not surprising, given its humorous origin). –  Janus Bahs Jacquet Sep 17 at 23:16

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